Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[Yasuhiro]

A lot of negativity in this thread... I ask the OP and everyone agreeing with the OP. Where will you go?

Play other Final Fantasy games
Better ones.

Amazing how the Gold Saucer in Final Fantasy VII still entertains me til this day, where as the one in XIV a majority of people only go there for their cacpot tickets, cause everything there is just crap.

[Moqi]

Is there any other MMOs that even compare to what we currently have?

No. But guess what! That is fine too. There are other games out there. And if there are not games that can give what I want, there is plenty of other stuff out in the world to do that's fun. You make it sound like you gotta stay subbed to a MMO to live.

[ServerCollaps]

Hmm, exp bar for the relic. It will start at ilevel 1 and while killing enemies it gain exp until it level up to the highest ilevel of the current update.
around 100 000 enemies to bring it from ilevel 209 to 210

I didnt mean an exp bar, just let the ilvl increase automatically with every patch

[uzu]

I want to know what kind of QA process they go through for these things they implement. I really doubt there is any at all...

[Belhi]

People post here in the hopes that their complaints will be passed on to the devs so they can see an actual change, not to dissaude "white knights" from liking the game. The problem is, we're bringing up (in our eyes) valid issues / complaints, and people are just saying "no this game is perfect go play something else if you don't like it". While they may feel that way, aren't people who are dissatisfied also entitled to have their voices be heard, especially by the devs? They want to appeal to as many players as possible, and if something isn't resonating with the players, shouldn't we try to let them know?

Yes they are but at the same time, since the conversation has been created, its only fair that people with differing opinions put in their input too. SE has to balance to make a game all of us enjoy and usually with conflicting feedback. Its only fair that all parties have their say and frankly its just as much the people who are unhappy who are being dismissive of people who are putting in alternative feedback.

Perfect example is the fact that when I made my viewpoint earlier in this thread, the response was 'well you just haven't played for long'. Its true that I only started playing seriously in 2.4 but at the same time, being unable to work for most of the first half of the year, I have clocked up well over 2000 hours by this point. Ive played a lot. I have every class at 60, 3 desynthing skills at over 120, all the beast tribes maxed out and everything except the EX versions of the patch primals, the EX HW primals and the last 3 turns of coil done. Oh and 3 Zetas.

Lets also not pretend that people who try to start positive threads tend to have angry negative posters move in pretty quick, particularly at the moment.

ALL feedback is relevant. We should be respecting of that and while its fine to argue against anothers opinion logically, simply trying to dismiss their argument by calling them 'fanboys' or 'white knights' or alternatively using arguments to suggest their opinion is invalid is as bad as someone with complaints being dismissed.

So raise issues and make constructive feedback by all means. Just try and respect that others might not agree with you. Hell, the majority might not agree. I've found myself in that situation plenty of times in games before.

[uzu]

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

I am going to end it here because we are going in circles and you are entitled to your opinion, Actually when I first quoted you I thought we were agreeing... I would rather have less content and have better content that is new and not recycled content.

Don't forget to mention a lot of this so called content is from 1.0 and not redesigned at all . Ishguard is 1.0 content were it was suppose to end but never did because the game flopped. Couldn't agree with you more they promised new content but have never delivered it at all . The promised so much with 2.0 but we have not seen any of the world content that they said would come. Seems like they are just seeing how much money they can get with the same recycled formula before they decide to experiment .

[Valoiz]

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy

We are unhappy bout a service we are paying for, so we complain, i already paid 6 months of gametime (3 months left) and have NOTHING FUN or new to do but chat. Who are u to criticise us? trying to be the devil´s lawer? 2 years of the same formula over and over, ppl get tired. SE is being lazy and lacking of fun ideas.

[WinterLuna]

We are unhappy bout a service we are paying for, so we complain, i already paid 6 months of gametime (3 months left) and have NOTHING FUN or new to do but chat. Who are u to criticise us? trying to be the devil´s lawer? 2 years of the same formula over and over, ppl get tired. SE is being lazy and lacking of fun ideas.

I'm not referring to people who are unhappy. I'm referring to people who can't accept that some people actually like the new relic and feel the need to force their opinions on us. People are allowed to be tired and dislike it but people are also allowed to enjoy it without being called a white knight.

Also to others, some of you are being called "whiners" because that's quite literally what you're doing and not providing any constructive feedback whatsoever. There's a difference between expressing your opinion and then just insulting others and crying about it.

[keroo]

So yeah, I think a lot of FFXIV are masochists lol doing this relic sh8

[BossEpoch]

Also to others, some of you are being called "whiners" because that's quite literally what you're doing and not providing any constructive feedback whatsoever. There's a difference between expressing your opinion and then just insulting others and crying about it.

I don't see much of a point in providing constructive feedback because I highly doubt any of the dev team or staff are looking at these topics at all, and if they are none of the feedback will be accepted. Realistically, the relic will be nerfed. It'll just be in 3.45 or something when there are two more even worse steps.

If I were to suggest something, it would just to be literally half all of the item/tome requirements.