When will SE realize this endless vertical progression is going nowhere?

[valoiz2]

In another order of ideas...

This endless vertical progression is a mistake!!!

It's always the same routine over and over again:

1.- Farm 2 dungeons in Expert Roulette while there's a fogotten roulette with 10+ dungeons
2.- Farm a new Trial for weapons (which will expire on next 2 months)
3.- Farm the 24 man raid for glamour gear or alts gear
4.- "This is Sparta" Hunting in order to improve current gear.

This happened when we improve i100-i110... i120-i130... i170-i180... i200-i210

5.-complete all set of current item level
6.- Next tomestones set, new gear, new seals, "new" all same things
7.- REPEAT


where are we going? i3000? What the hell?... This has no sense


SE should think about an horizontal progression endgame and spent their time and creativity on seasonal events and true endgame content

[HulveinBlitz]

[Risvertasashi]

When will SE realize this endless vertical progression is going nowhere?

When will the players?

[Einheri]

What is horizontal progression? This term is thrown around all the time like a cure all, with no details on what it would include.

Guild wars 2 is almost entirely horizontal and that game is affectionately known as grind wars.

what's the difference of grinding new ilvl and grinding new glamour's? if your gear never gets outdated what would you have in place of it?

This game has been widening its growth:raid eso void diadem primals and now relic offer gear. They cater to different play styles and carry slight variations in stats but all good enough to clear all current content. People hate every part of what I listed. I assume people like each part as well. Isn't that the point of horizontal to offer rewards to different play styles or does it not count because of ilvl or perceived difficulty or time spent.

[Risvertasashi]

What is horizontal progression? This term is thrown around all the time like a cure all, with no details on what it would include.

There's an alternative to horizontal too. Simply, add more content and focus on the content design.

Problem is, modern MMOs have trouble thinking outside of "raid" and with how raid design has been conceptualized, there's not really much that can be done except trying to find a yet undone twist to mechanics or combine them in some way.

[Cold_Raven]

I like vertical progression.

*dodges eggs*

[Urthdigger]

There's an alternative to horizontal too. Simply, add more content and focus on the content design.

Problem is, modern MMOs have trouble thinking outside of "raid" and with how raid design has been conceptualized, there's not really much that can be done except trying to find a yet undone twist to mechanics or combine them in some way.

So, add new content, but don't add any gear better than the old stuff? Wow, players will just be lining up to run that

[Risvertasashi]

So, add new content, but don't add any gear better than the old stuff? Wow, players will just be lining up to run that

And thus we circle back to my first post.

When will players tire of vertical progression?

[Zojha]

When will players tire of vertical progression?

At this point, you should rather ask:"When will players tire of progression?"

Horizontal progression runs into the same issue. An item(or skill/talent) is either better, worse or equal. If it's not better, no point in getting it and thus no point in running the respective content. It doesn't matter "why" it is better, whether it's better stats, a better active, passive, whether it's better for a certain dungeon, boss, skill, class or whatever other purpose you can think of. Progression is a one way street and players do not pursue regression, so people will not pursue items that are equal or worse for their intended purpose.

So the real complaint is: Gear does not have enough purposes. It's only there to make you stronger/better as a whole, rather than making you better at something specific.

[Dyvid]

What is horizontal progression? This term is thrown around all the time like a cure all, with no details on what it would include.

I'll try and field this question with job specific materia idea. Obviously you grind to get them but instead of simply raising base stats from one ilvl to the next, you add augmented effects to abilities.

I'm a SMN so I'll use that as an example:
Miasma II Materia- extend duration of Miasma II by 10 secs.
Painflare Materia - 10% chance of increase Bio, Bio II, and Miasma duration by 5 seconds
Garuda Shockwave - Removes pushback effect of Shockwave and extends damage to all nearby enemies
Ifrit Flaming Crush - Add 5s damage over time effect, potency 15.
Tri-Disaster - 5% chance to add one Aetherflow after use.

That's is what many consider Horizontal Progress. An expansion of the job across current equipment ilvl rather than replacing it with higher ilvl gear. Ilvl and new item are good every once and a while but to be bombarded with it every patch is tiring many people out.