The Anima grind is not the problem.

[SkyzTheLimit]

Its the reward. Im a casual player who has the time to spend on grinding a relic weapon. However, after looking at the stats on my NIN weapon, I was heartbroken. I wasted my zeta for a piece of gear that is worse than the standard esoteric weapon stat-wise? If I am going to do a grind such as this, make the reward something worth getting. Ninja's got the worse of this in the new Anima weapons, but other classes were also shafted. Its simply not worth doing the quest for a glamour when I could throw my self at AS4 for the next 2 months and probably come out with a better weapon.

[Alahra]

I wasted my zeta for a piece of gear that is worse than the standard esoteric weapon stat-wise?

It's actually not. It is very slightly better due to how poor Skill Speed is for NIN, at least going by Dervy's last updated stat weights. Since Kannagi has Determination as the "high" stat and Skill Speed as the "low" one, whereas Yukimitsu has Crit Rate low and Skill Speed high, it very slightly edges it out in Effective DEX.

Kannagi is not, however, better than the Thordan EX daggers despite the higher item level.

[SkyzTheLimit]

It's actually not. It is very slightly better due to how poor Skill Speed is for NIN, at least going by Dervy's last updated stat weights. Since Kannagi has Determination as the "high" stat and Skill Speed as the "low" one, whereas Yukimitsu has Crit Rate low and Skill Speed high, it very slightly edges it out in Effective DEX.

Kannagi is not, however, better than the Thordan EX daggers despite the higher item level.

I see your point with Yukimitsu, and you basically summed up my frustration in the last sentence. Thordan EX is better than Kannagi, so why waste my time grinding for it? I may not raid, but i could handle Thordan EX, the only reason I held off was BECAUSE of the animas.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I see your point with Yukimitsu, and you basically summed up my frustration in the last sentence. Thordan EX is better than Kannagi, so why waste my time grinding for it? I may not raid, but i could handle Thordan EX, the only reason I held off was BECAUSE of the animas.

But that's Thordan EX.

When people say relics are designed for casual players, they mean literally CASUAL. As in anyone. Even the people who can't beat Thordan. Thordan is equivalent to roughly A1S, which many would consider "midcore", not casual.

[Lyshell]

Also, to add to previous points, if they made it better than everything else, (btw we haven't seen final results yet, this is the end for this part of the relic) raiders would complain about what's the point of doing raids/thordan if everyone has access to the best weapon just being casual? That's what everyone was complaining about Diadem. Diadem had the best gear and people were complaining that casuals had access to it and raiders had to "work" for theirs.

It's a hard balance to maintain to keep everyone happy in terms of bis and accessibility to all players casual and HC. I think it's best it's like this so for those who can't beat the hard content or group content there's an option for people to do. it might not be "the best" but better than nothing.

[Zumi]

Secondary stats are not very strong in HW and much weaker then they were in ARR. If you do not have a 210 weapon the relic will be better then everything lower due to weapon damage and main stat being king. Having different secondary stats if a very very minor increase or loss.

The 210 weapon is still an upgrade over 200 or 205. If doing the relic doesn't float your boat then wait till 3.17 or whatever the next mini patch is where when they will add the eso weapon upgrade item to void ark / hunts.

[Fevelle]

My problem is solely the crafting part. Also, yes the relics are, to say the least, boring. I'm completely let down on the WHM cane design (looks like a broken egg with a gem inside) and the stats are worse (I'll get crit or SS anytime over Piety, I don't need no piety, seriously)

[raela]

Thordan weapon is a dead end, but relic will grow throughout the patches. Stat customization may come back in a future update, in which case you'll be prepared for min/maxing.

[Whiston]

Secondary stats are not very strong in HW and much weaker then they were in ARR. If you do not have a 210 weapon the relic will be better then everything lower due to weapon damage and main stat being king. Having different secondary stats if a very very minor increase or loss.

This is just parroting phrases you've heard elsewhere.
The secondary stats are worth slightly less now than they did at level 50, however they still have significant weight, especially when there are in excess of a hundred of them.
The Thordan weapon is mathematically better than the i210 relic, and due to the huge difference in skill speed makes even more desireable outside of its damage weight.

[SkyzTheLimit]

Secondary stats are not very strong in HW and much weaker then they were in ARR. If you do not have a 210 weapon the relic will be better then everything lower due to weapon damage and main stat being king. Having different secondary stats if a very very minor increase or loss.

The 210 weapon is still an upgrade over 200 or 205. If doing the relic doesn't float your boat then wait till 3.17 or whatever the next mini patch is where when they will add the eso weapon upgrade item to void ark / hunts.

I said earlier, Im not a raider. I probably wont feel any direct effects of getting one 210 over another. But if thats the case, Its like im a 5 year old who was given some keys to play with to hold my attention, while the big kids get actual toys. The difference may be minor, but now Im working towards a number, not a weapon.