Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[goonMagi]

Um... I am looking forward to playing a Bard AND want to be able to DD in-between casting buffs. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a person.

Also, Bard sounds like a perfect job role for Archer. They already stand in the back. And what's the point of giving archer a Job role that just does damage? What would make that role in the party any different from the Monk? Or the Dragoon?

Jobs are suppose to make the classes, which people complained play the same way, into more unique roles that have different duties during a party.

Lastly, your assumption that Bards are completely support is flawed. If you're taking FFXI as your reference, Bard's were only able to heal in between casting songs because of a WHM subjob. There is no reason why, with a bow in hand, Bards wouldn't be able to do damage in between casting songs. Besides, you don't even know how the bard job will work. For all we know you might be casting songs with TP, consequently requiring you to do some damage to be effective.

You are right, it would be convenient. However it would also be convenient to simply mix all opposite spectrum classes just because they share a position on the battle field. You know what, screw white/black mages.. why not just have 1 mage who does both?!?!?! THEN YOU CAN SIT AND DD WHILE YOU SUPPORT

[AeraLucis]

You know what, screw white/black mages.. why not just have 1 mage who does both?!?!?! THEN YOU CAN SIT AND DD WHILE YOU SUPPORT

...omg. You know what, you're so right. Just let my archer sit back and DD while one mage can both heal me and do damage in between. Oh wait...I do that every day in this game with the way classes are set up now....jeez. Do you even play this game? or know how party play works in this game? ....and how boring/easy party play is when you just do one thing?

You've probably forgotten that the only reason SE is creating this job system is because people were upset that all the DD classes played the same and the Conj in the party could heal everyone AND do great aoe damage at the same time....Thus the reason for the specialization.

[goonMagi]

...omg. You know what, you're so right. Just let my archer sit back and DD while one mage can both heal me and do damage in between. Oh wait...I do that every day in this game with the way classes are set up now....jeez. Do you even play this game? or know how party play works in this game? ....and how boring/easy party play is when you just do one thing?

You've probably forgotten that the only reason SE is creating this job system is because people were upset that all the DD classes played the same and the Conj in the party could heal everyone AND do great aoe damage at the same time....Thus the reason for the specialization.

That is exactly what im saying; Why make a class that controls two huge roles of the overall game? Conj could support and DD, so it was stupid. I know you think the idea of a bard that does damage might be exciting, but to me it completely washes out the idea of the bard. To me it says "we don't want a bard in this game, so we are giving the archer sweet party buffs.. anyone who wanted to play bard can be a barcher, and their main role is to DD while casting buffs on everyone"

its no longer a bard, its a DD class that does support. I want a support class. yes I am a whiney child, but i dont care

[AeraLucis]

That is exactly what im saying; Why make a class that controls two huge roles of the overall game? Conj could support and DD, so it was stupid. I know you think the idea of a bard that does damage might be exciting, but to me it completely washes out the idea of the bard. To me it says "we don't want a bard in this game, so we are giving the archer sweet party buffs.. anyone who wanted to play bard can be a barcher, and their main role is to DD while casting buffs on everyone"

its no longer a bard, its a DD class that does support. I want a support class. yes I am a whiney child, but i dont care

Well I'm sorry to tell you that casting buffs on a party is not a full time job. You have to be doing something in between. And instead of curing, you're doing damage. Not that big a difference. In fact, its even better because as a Gladiator I'd rather have my archer skip a couple Light Shots to cast a party buff than my Conj have to skip cures while the song finishes.

'Oh sorry you died, I couldn't get the cure off. Was in the middle of a song'.

If that happened a couple times I'd rather just skip the darn buff.
And if you're looking for a 'support role' I'm pretty sure WHM will have you covered. You want the feeling of casting party buffs? Just keep shock spikes on your tank and spam Stone Skin.
If you just want to do the role of a WHM under the name of a Bard with a stupid Song Note animation, then you are beyond helping.

[goonMagi]

Well I'm sorry to tell you that casting buffs on a party is not a full time job. You have to be doing something in between. And instead of curing, you're doing damage. Not that big a difference.

You know, for someone who insinuates so much freaking knowledge about older MMO games, you certainly seem to overlook the back-up healer. They are an important part of keeping the main healers mana pool full and taking care of people who aren't supposed to take damage.

You are right, if I wanted to be a main healer I could role a conj (or whm if we want to talk about FFxi). But bard existed, and there are people like me who enjoyed the role it turned into.

I like back-up healing, I like buffing, and I like playing support. Watching my team deal damage for me as I keep them alive and buffed is fun and interesting to me. Why do you want to destroy that by washing out the bard job into an archer who has imba buffs?

edit: to clarify; I think that the idea of a Barcher is just an Archer with really strong buffs for his party. So the role of a DD archer really isn't affected, because you can DD and throw songs up every 5 minutes. But the classical support role of the bard will disappear and become a generic damage dealer. essentially changing the support class into a damage class.

[Davorok]

If the Barcher is real, I would see it as essentially what Red Mage was supposed to be in XI...a Buff/Debuff specialist with very good DD.

In XI, Rdm was nerfed (by mean parties) to Refresh Whore but could solo stuff effectively whereas Bard and Corsair were really just worse versions of Rdm.

In XIV an Archer who can Buff /Debuff and still do Ranged Damage is actually my Dream Job both for Parties and esp for Solo. If I can Enfeeble enemies and Buff myself as well as party members, I will be the Red Mage Ranger I always dreamed of in XI. (and I like to sing. I go to Karaoke Bars with my Dad when I visit. ;>P )

[Anonymoose]

In XIV an Archer who can Buff /Debuff and still do Ranged Damage is actually my Dream Job both for Parties and esp for Solo.

I agree that it seems like a very good job, though I imagine, (if the barcher is real) that a bit of DD power will be sacrificed to gain the ability to buff - however, the buffs will probably be worth the trade. Solo, you'd probably still go with Archer, though, if you had buffs from other jobs to put on the bar.

[Calina]

If the Barcher is real, I would see it as essentially what Red Mage was supposed to be in XI...a Buff/Debuff specialist with very good DD.

In XI, Rdm was nerfed (by mean parties) to Refresh Whore but could solo stuff effectively whereas Bard and Corsair were really just worse versions of Rdm.

In XIV an Archer who can Buff /Debuff and still do Ranged Damage is actually my Dream Job both for Parties and esp for Solo. If I can Enfeeble enemies and Buff myself as well as party members, I will be the Red Mage Ranger I always dreamed of in XI. (and I like to sing. I go to Karaoke Bars with my Dad when I visit. ;>P )

/shout Dragon Sword!!!!! go Power rangers!!!!

can I spec my Armorer into a hammer wielding DD class to.....?

or better yet.. lets ask a 10 year old this simple question...

Archer, Hunter, Ranger, Bowmen, Robin hood, Bard... which does not belong?... hmmmm

can say ohh but CON could DD and Support!!! why shouldn't Archer be able to do the same...
I'll reason with.. CON DD and Support is Both ... "wait for it".... Magic! Spells to Do dmg or spells to Support.
however uncool that combo happen to be is irreverent (very uncool btw as the only thing it does well is Support)
it can be reasonably be-leaved because it is a Magic class Using Magic to do both dmg and support.

I would hope SE has gotten there fill for fail already but.. idk honestly.. was said by yoshi that we shouldnt look at these
Jobs as advanced classes.. but rather pt focused versions of the class it was.. but if you take something like archer then make it become Bard.. it's not even in the "kinda same" area.. that's turning archer into something it was never before.
ergo it's not the same class or just a pt focused version of the class it was before.

CON > WHm
Thm > Blm
Gla> PLD
Mar >war/drk? (idk) either could work I guess
lancer > Dragoon
pug > monk
^ this all, makes since.. these classes all continue to be the same at there base
arch> ranger
arch> bowmen
arch> hunter
arch> robin hood

^this is what I expect from SE, to keep archer the same at it's base and then give it more specific party function

Arch> Bard..... <--- lol it's not even kinda the same.. it doesn't even "kinda" stay the same role.. it's literally
two completely different roles.. there not the same.. one can do both
sure.. but make believing they were some how even distantly "some what the same in some way" is just bullshit.