you guys went overboard with this new relic

[Kallera]

Before 3.15: Wahhhhhhhhhhh. XIV is boring and no content. I have no reason to log in. Fix it pls SE.

After 3.15: Wahhhhhhhhhhh. Relics take too long, I dont want to log in everyday. Fix it pls SE.

Do it, or dont . Easy. Your RL wont change if you have a relic in XIV or not, so im not sure what the fuss is about.

To get the relic, you have to do boring content an absurd number of times. All this for a weapon that will be outclassed in the shortest amount of time, until it is updated, to only match the current ilvl of content which will require ANOTHER absurd grind of boring content before getting outclassed in the shortest amount of time.

[KaitlanKela]

To get the relic, you have to do boring content an absurd number of times.

Raid Savage. Skill-locked cutting edge interesting and challenging content. There you go. Unless you want that to be nerfed too...

All this for a weapon that will be outclassed in the shortest amount of time, until it is updated, to only match the current ilvl of content which will require ANOTHER absurd grind of boring content before getting outclassed in the shortest amount of time.

You don't know any of that.

[Evtrai]

Raid Savage. Skill-locked cutting edge interesting and challenging content. There you go. Unless you want that to be nerfed too...


You don't know any of that.

Except, following the trend that every bit of what people has predicted has happened, I would seriously doubt it's going to be any different, since SE has failed each time so far to prove us wrong, which is the problem, the content has become so monotonous and unchanging that it's predictable, nothing is surprising, nothing is impressive, there's nothing changing.

[KaitlanKela]

Except, following the trend that every bit of what people has predicted has happened, I would seriously doubt it's going to be any different...

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the relic was cooked up last minute to give everyone complaining about the lack of things to do in 3.1 things to do. It is my hope that they will get more attention to detail in future patches. That would be my request to SE anyway, not that the grind is terrible or that it be nerfed. For all we know, it could end up being a weapon ten or twenty ilvls higher than savage drops by the end of 3.xx. Then the risk/reward ratio would be fine, right? And a nerf to the early steps would break the gear economy. IMHO, it's simply too soon to tell. I'm personally going to wait a patch to get more info on the expected progression.

[Evtrai]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the relic was cooked up last minute to give everyone complaining about the lack of things to do in 3.1 things to do. It is my hope that they will get more attention to detail in future patches. That would be my request to SE anyway, not that the grind is terrible or that it be nerfed. For all we know, it could end up being a weapon ten or twenty ilvls higher than savage drops by the end of 3.xx. Then the risk/reward ratio would be fine, right? And a nerf to the early steps would break the gear economy. IMHO, it's simply too soon to tell. I'm personally going to wait a patch to get more info on the expected progression.

Not really, this isn't half minute cooked, these relics were already being announced pre-heavensward release in live letters and conferences.

So no, this wasn't a last minute thing, it does however look like a last minute thing given at how abysmal the content of the relic is, I'm glad you have noticed this and came to the conclusion that it's a last minute thing, given at how poorly it looks.

[KaitlanKela]

Not really, this isn't half minute cooked, these relics were already being announced pre-heavensward release in live letters and conferences.

So no, this wasn't a last minute thing, it does however look like a last minute thing given at how abysmal the content of the relic is, I'm glad you have noticed this and came to the conclusion that it's a last minute thing, given at how poorly it looks.

Orly? Ahahahaha....
Welp, I stand corrected.

[Kallera]

Raid Savage. Skill-locked cutting edge interesting and challenging content. There you go. Unless you want that to be nerfed too...


You don't know any of that.

Yeah, raid scene's half dead and my static needs the folk willing to run it. If relics were brought in at 3.0, it might have been less absurd, but this is stuff that is 5 months old, coupled with some of the most dull nonsense this game had to offer. The schedule of releases suggest a raise in ilvl for 3.2 and another raid tier being introduced.meaning an i210 weapon is going to be outdated in stats, if not feasibility.

If they were expecting this of players, this should have been out at around 3.0. Not when people are tiring of the content.

[KaitlanKela]

Yeah, raid scene's half dead and my static needs the folk willing to run it. If relics were brought in at 3.0, it might have been less absurd, but this is stuff that is 5 months old, coupled with some of the most dull nonsense this game had to offer. The schedule of releases suggest a raise in ilvl for 3.2 and another raid tier being introduced.meaning an i210 weapon is going to be outdated in stats, if not feasibility.

Unless the weapon has higher-than-linear progression. The relic could start breaking away from the savage drops, and the differential is the reward for the grind. That's why I'm waiting a patch.

As far as the raiding scene being dead, who knows? Maybe raiders will come out of the woodwork trying to avoid this grind. Intentional...? Who knows.

[Houston009]

To get the relic, you have to do boring content an absurd number of times. All this for a weapon that will be outclassed in the shortest amount of time, until it is updated, to only match the current ilvl of content which will require ANOTHER absurd grind of boring content before getting outclassed in the shortest amount of time.

Half of the relic weapons are already outclassed by their current i210 counterparts.