Bard - they broke my job

[Empty-handed]

As machinist I run out of tp in every turn. The only turn where it's not a problem is a1 since jumps give a good breathing room to naturally regen tp + invo.

A2 is extremely tp taxing for machinist by the time the widows spawns I run full tp promotion into the next wave. If you don't have tp issues in a2 I would assume u simply don't aoe :/ (my last night parse was roughly 1.5k)

A3 is fine till after the adds phase. You and your melees should start to have tp issues after the hand that grabs the healers die, here I run promotion till the next invo is up.

A4 pretty much the last phase is huge tp drain especially if you mess time ur invigorate earlier. You should time it that u have invo up right after ur first Rez. Otherwise you will need tp promotion. Your melees should call out for tp eventually during the last phase as well.

[ruskie]

I'm not sure how people do a2s without tp song. I play tp song, because applying dots to many targets (80tp each) makes me out of tp roughly after two big machines (never bothered to remember their names, sorry). And I'm usually out of tp again after this at the last wave. Am I doing it wrong?

Hmmm never had to sing paeon in A2S so far(other than maybe a death). But the DRG is driving with the monk and myself only TP users - and yes I apply at least one dot to most smaller targets and keep both up on the bigger ones. Otherwise rain of death is my primary aoe there. I might in some cases go wide volley but so far the multi doting and rain of death procs seem more efficient - especially when you have things to burst down.

[Greywolfamakir]

Hmmm never had to sing paeon in A2S so far(other than maybe a death). But the DRG is driving with the monk and myself only TP users - and yes I apply at least one dot to most smaller targets and keep both up on the bigger ones. Otherwise rain of death is my primary aoe there. I might in some cases go wide volley but so far the multi doting and rain of death procs seem more efficient - especially when you have things to burst down.

I don't know about DRG, but I have cleared A2S like MNK a lot of time and If my BRD/MCH does not sing TP, my DPS drop to ~1.6k-1.7k aprox, with TP song my DPS looks like ~1.9k-2k aprox. I'm using Invigorate and Purification asap. It's easy to understand, Rockbreaker has 130 potency, but it costs 120 TP, It's pretty expensive, but it's a potency gain with 2 or more targets.

[ruskie]

I don't know about DRG, but I have cleared A2S like MNK a lot of time and If my BRD/MCH does not sing TP, my DPS drop to ~1.6k-1.7k aprox, with TP song my DPS looks like ~1.9k-2k aprox. I'm using Invigorate and Purification asap. It's easy to understand, Rockbreaker has 130 potency, but it costs 120 TP, It's pretty expensive, but it's a potency gain with 2 or more targets.

Hmm I'll chat with our monk about this then. Might be worth it. But already need to sing mage's for healers at certain ponits and foe overall when I can.

[Judge_Xero]

I always have to sing both Paeon and Ballad in A2S. I don't know if it's the most efficient use, but in Wave 6 when it's just the Widow left I'll use Battle Voice to play Paeon first to get everyone's TP topped a bit and then swap to Ballad to top the healers. That's generally the only time I'll have to use anything other than Foes in the large AOE phases, so it seems like a good use of BV.

[Warlyx]

i think is based on having a nin or not....if your setup has a nin , TP song is rarely needed.

MP is rare too , only when we are learning and ppl die , but outside that is FoE 95% of the time , on last wave of A2s but even that by the time i cast it and BV , the boss is almost dead.... sometimes cast it to play safe

[RinchanNau]

Your NIN will still need TP in A2S. Honestly, having a NIN Goad me in A2 wouldn't really reduce the amount of Paeon I play. If anything it would just mean that I use more Quick Nock with the additional resources being made available to me.

I'm curious about the damage output of BRDs that aren't playing any Paeon in A2. I would almost say that it is probably impossible to be pressing your GCDs without very significant delays in A2S if you never run out of TP with no regen.

[ruskie]

Your NIN will still need TP in A2S. Honestly, having a NIN Goad me in A2 wouldn't really reduce the amount of Paeon I play. If anything it would just mean that I use more Quick Nock with the additional resources being made available to me.

I'm curious about the damage output of BRDs that aren't playing any Paeon in A2. I would almost say that it is probably impossible to be pressing your GCDs without very significant delays in A2S if you never run out of TP with no regen.

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

[Krindor]

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

[Greywolfamakir]

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

If your MNK has ilv ~206-210 gear, 1.6k DPS is low, when I'm around 1.6k DPS is just because my BRD wanna be a DPS, asking Goad and using just Foe. We lose DPS overall when my BRD does not sing TP, We run with 2 WARs, MNK and NIN.