Bard - they broke my job

[RinchanNau]

Your NIN will still need TP in A2S. Honestly, having a NIN Goad me in A2 wouldn't really reduce the amount of Paeon I play. If anything it would just mean that I use more Quick Nock with the additional resources being made available to me.

I'm curious about the damage output of BRDs that aren't playing any Paeon in A2. I would almost say that it is probably impossible to be pressing your GCDs without very significant delays in A2S if you never run out of TP with no regen.

[ruskie]

Your NIN will still need TP in A2S. Honestly, having a NIN Goad me in A2 wouldn't really reduce the amount of Paeon I play. If anything it would just mean that I use more Quick Nock with the additional resources being made available to me.

I'm curious about the damage output of BRDs that aren't playing any Paeon in A2. I would almost say that it is probably impossible to be pressing your GCDs without very significant delays in A2S if you never run out of TP with no regen.

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

[Krindor]

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

[ruskie]

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

If your MNK has ilv ~206-210 gear, 1.6k DPS is low, when I'm around 1.6k DPS is just because my BRD wanna be a DPS, asking Goad and using just Foe. We lose DPS overall when my BRD does not sing TP, We run with 2 WARs, MNK and NIN.

Hmm thanks for the input. I'll see and check our data how it's going but did ask him and he said he is tightly controlling TP use and one mess up can cause him to lose too much.
We have a PLD, DRK, DRG(driver), MNK, BLM, BRD, SCH, WHM. So no goad to pass around.

Will check and compare with others to see what we can both do to adjust and improve.

[Greywolfamakir]

Hmm thanks for the input. I'll see and check our data how it's going but did ask him and he said he is tightly controlling TP use and one mess up can cause him to lose too much.
We have a PLD, DRK, DRG(driver), MNK, BLM, BRD, SCH, WHM. So no goad to pass around.

Will check and compare with others to see what we can both do to adjust and improve.

Its pretty easy to understand, more TP more Rockbreaker and more DPS.

[RinchanNau]

I would say that your DPS is looking ok but the MNK should be able to push out another 150-200 DPS if he is at i205+ and gets paeon.

I'm not so sure about that. Given the gear the goal should be 1800-2200 for a BRD. MNK can be in a similar range as well. In addition it can help others besides those two. I have no idea what the party comp is. Most groups have a WAR. While WAR has a lot of TP to work with via Equilibrium they can certainly also make use of the additional resources to output more DPS in A2.

Regardless of DPS goals you should not be able to go 6+ minutes in A2S with zero TP regen needed if you're pressing your GCDs normally. Single target you should only be lasting 3:30 to maaaaybe 4:30 with really low skill speed. So to last even longer on multiple targets where you should be doing a lot of multi dotting does not make sense.

[vp_cmc]

Given the gear the goal should be 1800-2200 for a BRD.

1800+ is top 40 in fflogs among bards.
2200+ is only 1 there

It's a nice goal, but I think it's not wise to expect this from random members

[RinchanNau]

1800+ is top 40 in fflogs among bards.
2200+ is only 1 there

It's a nice goal, but I think it's not wise to expect this from random members

Like I said. It's a goal. You should strive to improve each week. It won't always work out, but I think there is fun to be had in trying to outdo yourself each time.

[ruskie]

Like I said. It's a goal. You should strive to improve each week. It won't always work out, but I think there is fun to be had in trying to outdo yourself each time.

Agree with you on that hehe. It is fun to try and improve yourself.

[Greywolfamakir]

Well you would need to account for ballad singing as well. My best so far was near 1.5k with the monk being near 1.6k. But ballad does happen a couple of times.

If your MNK has ilv ~206-210 gear, 1.6k DPS is low, when I'm around 1.6k DPS is just because my BRD wanna be a DPS, asking Goad and using just Foe. We lose DPS overall when my BRD does not sing TP, We run with 2 WARs, MNK and NIN.