Vote kick needs to be adjusted

[Gamer3427]

Didn't the healer have to agree with the vote kick on you to get you kicked?

No actually. Only two players out of the four in the party have to agree. It could have easily been the other DPS.....

[Xanikk999]

It was asinine back then, it would be doubly so if we go back to it now. The pros of the Vote Kick and Vote Abandon systems far far outweigh the cons of a few jackasses "abusing" it.

I disagree with vote abandon. Vote abandon is a selfish way of ending the group even if some current people want to continue going. If you want to end early for whatever reason you should be forced to eat the penalty.

[AnaviAnael]

how did we go about when the vote kick wasnt there? you remember

Oh I remember.

I remember farming Philosophy tomes in Castrum Meridianum and having people AFK at the start because they wanted others to farm their tomes for them. Would you want that to return in places like Void Ark or other 24 man dungeons? People already rage about this with Diadem. Vote kicking has a purpose in the game, whether people like it or not.

[Eidolon]

But that's the problem. It creates a situation where 4 against 4 (or 2 against 2) allows one side to kick out their —equally supported— opposition. Equal votes in both directions don't indicate which side is in the right, so should not be able to force one side out. It should take a clear majority (3 against 1 or 5 against 3) to kick .

It works because it prevents a stalemate. It prevents a situation wherin both sides are yelling at eachother but neither side can gain the majority. It creates a situation where a majority CAN exist.


This is why one person - the reciever of the kick - does not get a vote. It makes it possible to say half the votes voted yes or no. It removes an artificial deadlock.

With your suggestion, I could join a 4 man with a friend as DPS and afk. And there is nothing you can do about it. You can't vote kick or abandon. To say the least, your idea would be more open to abuse than the current system is.

By creating an artificial majority you prevent abuse in low man content.

[MeiUshu]

Oh I remember.

I remember farming Philosophy tomes in Castrum Meridianum and having people AFK at the start because they wanted others to farm their tomes for them. Would you want that to return in places like Void Ark or other 24 man dungeons? People already rage about this with Diadem. Vote kicking has a purpose in the game, whether people like it or not.

errr I dont need to want, I actually still do the same, I wait for people finishing their story, I wait for people to be ready, and I still dont kick unless AFK of course for a more then 5mn ... so back then or now the attitude I have is still the same...except for the disconnects which is probably one of the only thing together insulting people where I use the kick feature....people rage and kick because they dont get it THEIR way immature, weak and silly attitude....attitudes albeit allowed and cautioned by SE..cant blame them ..the amount of silliness going around is just baffling...

[Reynhart]

With your suggestion, I could join a 4 man with a friend as DPS and afk.

So, you'll join a Duty only to AFK and waste everybody's time ? Even your friend's ?

And I supppose you'll also return once in a while to move your character to prevent auto-disconnect ?
Clearly showing that you're doing it on purpose, thus giving plenty of room for a justifiable GM report while you're in the Duty.

Would you really want to go that far for a ~30 minutes content ?

[Terribad]

How do you all function in the real world? Jfc.

You had one (or a few) incidents like this and now the whole thing needs to be redone? There's always going to be some form of problem when playing with thousands of people. This is life. Until this keeps on happening to majority of the player base, things are fine, get over yourself. You got kicked, so what.

[Meimi_chan]

have walked two steps too far and aggroed a bunch is embarrassing, so... yes accidents do happen.

I am at fault of that too. :x
In my defense, though, it happen mostly when the tank run, seems to be ready to pull too, group is close behind, and then abruptly stop. I lost count of the times I run past the tank because I wasn't expecting him/her to stop like that.

[ruskie]

I am at fault of that too. :x
In my defense, though, it happen mostly when the tank run, seems to be ready to pull too, group is close behind, and then abruptly stop. I lost count of the times I run past the tank because I wasn't expecting him/her to stop like that.

I generally try and avoid running with the tank unless I'm healing - otherwise yeah an accidental pull - and you can usually see whan it happens is a bit different than seeing the healer or one of the DPS run off to attack a mob to drag them back to you during a current pull. I just watch them getting their faces chewed off. It's so nice.

Once had in DR: Leveling a group of 3 players - they kpet agroing things by accident all over the place(you have words you know - if you want a full clear or something specific ASK) - then we reach the third boss and one of them decides to pull it - I just did a /sit infornt of the gate and watched them die. After that it was OK.

[Eidolon]

So, you'll join a Duty only to AFK and waste everybody's time ? Even your friend's ?

And I supppose you'll also return once in a while to move your character to prevent auto-disconnect ?
Clearly showing that you're doing it on purpose, thus giving plenty of room for a justifiable GM report while you're in the Duty.

Would you really want to go that far for a ~30 minutes content ?

Good job going after one line in the entire arguement and ignoring the rest. Not gonna address the lack of a genuine majority and the fact that it creates a deadlock, eh?

Alright - Perhaps that's a bad example, though let's be fair. By the time people decide to do anything about it, people will have either left the duty, or just logged out themselves. GM's aren't responsive enough to be relied on. But I'll give you another example, just for you.


You have a tank that joins that talks **** to people the whole time. He tells people that they are bad. That DPS is slow. That heals are bad. Only h is friend is the exception who 'gotgud' because he's doing more DPS. He never admits to a parser or anything, just states that the DPS is ****-poor and treats your team like crap the whole time.

So you attempt to vote dismiss him. UH oh! his friend blocks it, because you removed the ability to have a majority.
So he attempts to vote dismiss you. UH oh! Your party blocks it, because they're not idiots.

Now you know how people react when this happens. Someone throws a temper tantrum. The party chat becomes a toxic mindfield. People start afk'ing. People start doing less. The duty takes longer. The duty becomes harder because people stop caring about doing their role. Things fall apart.

Having a majority created to prevent a deadlock is healthy for the vote kick system.
This is the point that you brilliantly danced around.