Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Fredco191]

I Don't Exactly See What Was Wrong There. It Was Just 7 WARs And A WHM.

[Reynhart]

I already explained in specific CD and key GCD break-downs why Thordan EX almost couldn't get better for WAR DPS.

And I still don't see how it is definitive proof that everything is "Ok"...since, basically, every EX Primal or higher content seems to also be designed to favor WAR in a way.

[Freyyy]

nonsense

1 : BRD/MCH have low DPS. It's not a surprising thing that WAR can get close to that as OT in Thordan EX considering how the fight is literally tuned around Berserk's CD/duration/pacification timers. Yet, it's "getting close to" not "outperforming", and considering that it's the lowest DPS of all the DPS, it's not that bad. And considering that DRK is in the same DPS range as WAR as OT (just a little below), it's not a "WAR" thing, it's a tank thing.

2 : BRD/MCH DPS isn't only on their numbers. They increase everyone else's DPS, as Brian_ specified it. So, without them, the other party members wouldn't be as high. It compensates for their lower personnal DPS.

3 : You're talking about potency differences between tanks and BRD/MCH, but that makes no sense, look at MNK potencies, yet they're the current top DPS. Look at BLM potencies, yet they have very high DPS. That's because they have the toolkit and the buffs that make these low potencies do high damage. BRD/MCH have these low potencies but a LOT of offensive cooldowns, a 30% damage increasing stance, and a toolkit that favors party-DPS increase. Plus, WAR's potencies aren't that high. Only the 500 pot Fell Cleave is very very high potency, everything else is in the "average potency" range, all jobs included. Plus, their only damaging oGCD is Brutal Swing (100 pot). What makes their DPS "high" is Berserk (Maim doesn't really count, every job has something like that except PLD).

[ArkNova]

I think at this point Yoshi is crying about the abuse that meme gives. It's a pretty tacky way to try and validate an argument.

[Freyyy]

I think at this point Yoshi is crying about the abuse that meme gives. It's a pretty tacky way to try and validate an argument.

That's mostly a funny thing. This meme is becoming redundant as fuck in these forums and it's not what you should focus on when answering my post.

[ArkNova]

That's mostly a funny thing. This meme is becoming redundant as fuck in these forums and it's not what you should focus on when answering my post.

Lead by example and stop using it. First thing I see when someone posts that is I can't take them seriously.

[Freyyy]

Lead by example and stop using it. First thing I see when someone posts that is I can't take them seriously.

I'm not gonna stop doing funny things on a video game forum for the sake of people taking me seriously. If you can't understand my point because you're not taking me seriously because I put a funny image on my post, I have bad news for you.

[Kabooa]

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Pretty much this.

DPS classes work on the notion of constant uptime, especially Monk, Summoner, Bard, and Black Mage.

Dragoon, Ninja, Machinist are more out-the-gate, but still maintain the more-uptime mo' damages.

Warrior moves through high burst phases followed by moderate waiting-on-cd-phases, which on-and-off encounters like Ravana and Thordan work well with. In any scenario where you have constant uptime, then the Warrior falls behind the DPS classes by a sizable margin.

[Leonus]

Thordan is also bad example because you do not need single vitality part for that kind of content if you run with 210 ilvl in 190 ilvl content. But i agree warrior is bit superior compared other tanks. You have aggro combo in your dps rotatio while other tanks need sacrifice dps while building some extra treat, you have infinite tp while other tanks run out in 3min, you have slashing debuff that is pretty huge dps boost compared pld/drk combo if there is not ninja in the party. My suggestion would be put slashing debuff for pld Royal Authority.

Nah, don't give it to plds, just creates a different problem. Just take it away from war, leave it only to nin. None of the tanks can complain at that point, only nins in the drop of their dps by having to reapply it anyway.

[kensatsu]

Warrior is a bit better than other two tank is the sentence. it make war the top tier tank.
And if the war get nerfed, it will still be top tier or not, and you will all complain and crying like babys again about the new top tier tank XD.
Because there always a top tier anyway.
SE can make more balance, but should not listen to all this crying babies or they will mess something.
At crying so much maybe you want your favorite tank to not be able to wear strenght accesories anymore, it would end your dramatic annoying story... and maybe shut your mouth about your tank flamme war for good...