Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Vogue]

Ok so, first google up Thordan EX DPS, and look at the values each member on a balanced parties are getting, focus on the off tank versus mch and bard values, or how close off tanks can be to all the other (non mch or brd) dps.

You can go ahead and say that every bard and machinist in those lists suck, and all the OT are amazing, or you can simply see that it is strange how close their values are all the time, up to you.

But either way, I am familiar with Bard dps, since that is my main, I am not ultra over geared either, but I do know that Bard DPS focus mainly on procs and critical chance, which is RNG, which leads to not a highly dependent dps, I have had openers do over 1900 dps other not even 1500, all thanks to critical chance and rng.

This is all because the potency on bard abilities isn't anywhere as strong as all other classes, I believe with machinist is the same. Now go look at DRK and WAR and check their potency, pretty high ones, with no dependence on critical or buffs cooldowns, they do have buffs to use, but not as many as bard and not as restrictive as bard since most can either used frequently and keep up at all times, other simply boost things like critical rate, which is a bonus stat since it is rng.

Anyway, study all that information first. Now, last night on a Thordan Ex party finder group we had 2 bards in it,both doing their normal 700-800+ dps (note that the values are whole fight, no resets, and there was no DRG to piercing debuff or critical buff), the dps was plenty to clear the fight, but it being a pug, people are used to killing Thordan before the last add shows up, so guess what, Dark Knight OT with multiple pink 210s from diadem decided to start complaining at the lack of dps because he was 2nd or 3rd on every try, he started to point the finger at the 2 bards which were doing normal numbers, but not as much as the black mage and/or melee.

Anyway, few tries in, every time we got to that last add, we would die form the lack of heals and this went on for a few hours before people got tired and called it.

How I see it now is that OTs are too full of themselves, and rather than understand that their dps is "meant to be" as good as mch and brd in some fights, they see it as everyone else sucks because tanks should never have more dps than a dps itself. So this leads to a rotten mentality that do not understand how other classes work, and people will kick these dps who numbers are "average" because they do not excel at the class, while you have off tanks doing crazy dps by hardly trying to do so and using this as a tool to blame weaker classes that do not have a steady DPS or are too dependent on buffs and luck.

So just think about this a little bit and blame it on whoever you want, it being the fact that BRD and MCH need some love, or the fact that OTs WAR or DRK can do pretty good numbers, or the fact that DPS classes in general need some love, or that the fights ask too much moving around, I don't know what you want to blame it on, but the fact is that if this keeps going in this direction, soon you will have BRD and MCH who do not excel at the class or are over geared, to be expel from parties because the OT is doing more damage than them, and this is all thanks to rng, mechanics that require moving around or having to take care of towers etc.

The community is to blame yes, but why give them the tools to do so?

(sorry for the block of text)

[Brian_]

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So you're concerned that bad BRDs in horrible party comps and bad tanks who don't know how to read a parser are leading to toxic situations so everyone else who isn't bad at their role or a moron should suffer for it?

That makes no sense.

http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/4#boss=1029

BRDs are obviously ahead of WARs in pure DPS output and that's not factoring in their overall raid DPS contribution through things like Foes and Battle Voice.

None of the things you proposed to blame should be things you blame. You know who I blame and who anyone with a functioning brain should blame? You blame bad players who complain about job balance before they look to improve themselves and bad posters who post misguided garbage based only on irrelevant anecdotal evidence. Seriously, "doing their normal 700-800+ dps?" You realize that's literally PLD range DPS. If that's how much damage a BRD is doing, people should be complaining. Are we really having a conversation about nerfing tank DPS to protect garbage-tier DPS players?