Allow us to obtain the refund when relinquishing land

[Dante_V]

I don't like the idea at all personally. If you want money for your house you can sell it to another player, or sit on it for the 80% (which is stall a massive loss all things considered)

[Blitzace]

And there sits the problem, i can promise you one thing when houses are gonna clear up the 25th. people will buy em up with their alts to sell.

[AnnietheCat]

I don't like the idea at all personally. If you want money for your house you can sell it to another player, or sit on it for the 80% (which is stall a massive loss all things considered)

Actually, people have been receiving the ban hammer(even though it's temporary) for selling their houses to other players, especially when other players call a gm to report it. And there would be no need to sell to other players if they had a sell feature in place. I mean, people are selling their plots for double what they're worth as a "relinquishing fee". So if we could sell back to an NPC, many people would be less gung ho about buying those trumped up prices. I don't really see what's to be against here.

[Beckett]

I don't really see what's to be against here.

That's because you're not thinking scummy enough. A rich player with multiple accounts and alts could buy up a neighborhood, or a the same desirable plot in multiple wards/sub wards and hold them for ransom. Even if they did get banned, the plots would still be unavailable.

[AnnietheCat]

That's because you're not thinking scummy enough. A rich player with multiple accounts and alts could buy up a neighborhood, or a the same desirable plot in multiple wards/sub wards and hold them for ransom. Even if they did get banned, the plots would still be unavailable.

...who the hell has the energy to do that??? You're right, I wasn't thinking scummy enough. However, everything in this game can be abused. Allowing people with houses to sell back their houses if they wish would be better for many people, and if the devs went into everything worrying overmuch about the scummiest of scum, we wouldn't have the PF or Vote Kick features. Housing is already being abused, and people are committed to waiting the 45 days just to get some of their money back instead of just demolishing for no reason. Personally, I'll only give up my house if it means I can put gil towards buying a large for my FC, so without a sell back feature it's just kinda...blah, y'know?
And I'm not trying to be rude, it's just that we can't let the scummy scum to run the game(they already do, tbh). I really advocate for a sell back feature because so many people would benefit from it.

[MistyMew]

just allow us to sell to the caretaker npc in the housing areas..simple, safe, should have been implemented the day housing was.

[Beckett]

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Yeah, you're right. The situation I'm describing is pretty damn unlikely to happen. I know of at least one guy on my server with the means to do it, but I don't think he would. Considering how high the benefit would be to being able to choose to relinquish plots for a refund, and how low the risk of abuse is, I agree that it should be added.

[saberchic]

While this may seem like a good idea, it just allows people to abuse the house selling even more, so I can't give this support.

[Niqote]

While this may seem like a good idea, it just allows people to abuse the house selling even more, so I can't give this support.

You know what's really messed up? On my server there is no market for buying and selling land at a 'relinquishing fee'
In fact the only resold one I even know of was a Free Company moving server.

Perhaps the second suggestion (Which I have now bolded in the OP) would workout better since it requires a free plot in the first place.
Either way, the housing system needs some real work ;_;

[AnnietheCat]

If people can sell back their plots for full price or 80% of what they paid AND the reclaim feature are both in place, people who would abuse the system wouldn't get very far. I'd like to think most people have at least average intelligence, and it would be stupid to pay 2-3x what a plot is worth just to buy it from another player. Especially when people unsub every day or decide housing is far too limited to be fun for them. Those people could just sell back their houses, which frees up plots. And sure, these would be abusers can just buy them up and try to sell them as quickly as possible. But not every server has a market for reselling houses. So with people who are currently unsubbed, taking a long hiatus, or who have quit the game losing their plots every 45 days(and getting 80% of their gil back), why would anyone demolish their houses now? There was no point before, but now there's a real benefit to holding on to them.

There are people who would abuse any and every feature that exists in this game. Because you can abuse just about every feature. But limiting features that could help alleviate the limited amount of housing because the system just /may/ be abused is unfair and a little more than silly. People unsub or quit daily. So they could sell back their house before unsubbing and get their money back instead of forcing people to wait 45 days. People who don't want their houses but are currently waiting for the timer so they could get their gil could just be able to sell it back and open up plots immediately. But let's totally focus on the potential for abuse(how is vote kick any less abused though? but it does a lot of good, so no one protests the existence of it) instead of how it can help fix the broken housing system.