Bard - they broke my job

[dice137]

I refuse to use Wanderer's Minuet. Ever. I just play BRD as I did pre-3.0, with the addition of Sidewinder.

This apparently makes me a bad BRD who's gimping herself. But my position on the aggro table + the rate that things die at when I have WM off as opposed to when I have it on suggests otherwise.

[aabe]

my position on the aggro table + the rate that things die at when I have WM off as opposed to when I have it on suggests otherwise.

So you're saying things die faster with it off, than on?
That can be a number of things, for example maybe the other DPS in your dungeon happened to pop CDs for one pack of mobs but none for the previous pack?
Besides that, that's a problem with you, not the stance.
I'm currently wracking my brain looking for these mythical parses on FFlogs where the top BRD never use WM.

If you can't be bothered to learn the stance to where you're doing more DPS with it on than off, that's you but that doesn't mean it's not a DPS increase.
Like, if you don't like how it plays or you don't wanna have cast bars I can level with you but if you really believe that you lose DPS by using WM, assuming you're playing correctly, you are flat out wrong.

[Greywolfamakir]

c'mon guys....crying yet?

[dice137]

So you're saying things die faster with it off, than on?
That can be a number of things, for example maybe the other DPS in your dungeon happened to pop CDs for one pack of mobs but none for the previous pack?
Besides that, that's a problem with you, not the stance.
I'm currently wracking my brain looking for these mythical parses on FFlogs where the top BRD never use WM.

If you can't be bothered to learn the stance to where you're doing more DPS with it on than off, that's you but that doesn't mean it's not a DPS increase.
Like, if you don't like how it plays or you don't wanna have cast bars I can level with you but if you really believe that you lose DPS by using WM, assuming you're playing correctly, you are flat out wrong.

I've considered that my WM rotation may be terrible, but... I keep everything refreshed as it should be and pop buffs when up. I'm not sure what else it is I'm supposed to be doing. Are other BRDs are stacking a particular stat on their gear that I'm not? Or maybe there's a certain skill I should or shouldn't be using more often?

My guildmates would agree on noticing a significant drop in the rate things die at when I do use WM, but I know their word only means so much without hard numbers.

[RiceisNice]

I've considered that my WM rotation may be terrible, but...

WM is roughly break even, if not a damage drop (esp if you use it as soon as you gain it at 52 due to relatively lower crit/det and no access to abilties), unless you're using all your oGCDs and abilities (including flame arrow, repelling shot and blunt arrow). WM needs to have those exclusive abilities and more damage from non-auto attacks to make up for the loss of the aforementioned. Using all of your river resets is important too (since it's non-auto attack damage), and AoEing should hands down be a damage gain no matter what.

They've heard you, they've responded. I doubt they are going to make any substantial changes until the next expansion in regards to bard play style.

This is my primary concern when they do expansions; they're cutting corners when it comes to job mechanics. Things like this can't be adjusted through hotfixes or even 3.x patches, but numbers can be if they end up being undertuned or overtuned. They previewed some good ideas for MCH but ended up scrapping most of them, made GB what it is, and gave that to BRD as well (which diminishes the novelty of it being an "attachment"), homogenizing the two jobs that much more)

It's coming from the perspective of a player that mained BRD and currently MCH, but I'm sure other players would feel just as frustrated if their job gets changes that work against the inherent nature if the job (such as requiring minimum range for damage skills as a melee job, especially without abilities to accommodate such, or positionals on casters) or given the same mechanics in 3.0 as their other counterparts.

[aabe]

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Correlation =/= causation and WM hasn't been a DPS loss for the longest time, it could be something as simple as what I said that possibly in the case of dungeons the other DPS popped all their buffs for one pack, and then the next pack takes much longer to kill because they have zero buffs.

If you're noticing this issue in dungeons it could be ^ or it could be doing something very wrong, WM's bonus should shine the hardest in a dungeon run where you're multidotting and AoEing a lot because you're pulling much more potency per GCD, 30% bonus damage is preddygud for that.

If you notice a problem in raid/boss content you might just be dropping GCDs from moving around too much or something similar.

[RinchanNau]

I'm currently wracking my brain looking for these mythical parses on FFlogs where the top BRD never use WM.

Want to try this with me? For science. :3 See if we can break top 20 for any savage encounter with no Minuet.

[Judge_Xero]

Want to try this with me? For science. :3 See if we can break top 20 for any savage encounter with no Minuet.

Wow nice gear set. How does the play style of BRD change with that level of Crit/Skill Speed? For "Science" would you be able to tell me about what you would think your DPS would be on a Dummy over 3 minutes, solo, no food or pots? I'm curious if my BRD damage slope is accurate and comparing my and your gear I estimate you would sit at ~1430 DPS.

[aabe]

Want to try this with me? For science. :3 See if we can break top 20 for any savage encounter with no Minuet.

yessssssss I have to run as MCH this week but I'll give it a shot next week when I get DRG again lmao

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It's kinda like this

Personally for dummies without a goon I range between 1250-1400 for 3:30-4:00 parses, but the higher range is like food + pots + RNG so you're overestimating a teeny bit, although I dunno where Rin could be at, all I know is that they're probably better than I am :V