Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Ladon]

That delicious DA C&S crit with Bloodbath tho

I think I saw C&S crit once. Maybe back in September? It was pretty awesome.

[MrTherm]

The self-heal element of Path is irrelevant, because it's generally such a low heal as to not matter. No WAR worth their salt relies on Path for healing. They use Path before Tank Busters, because of this part of the tooltip: "...and lowers target's damage dealt by 10％". That's the part that matters.

And, if you're a PLD, you have a shield, which is GREAT against physical attacks; use Bulwark & watch Holy Bladedance do very little.

A DRK has self-healing as well; Souleater says hello. Crossclass Bloodbath also says hello & informs you that DRK does have enough Spike damage to take advantage of it.

Your focusing to much on MT mitigation when that's not the issue. Its more the WAR's being able to DPS and self heal/mitigate damage while being an DPS. There are phases where the healer could just not bother healing WARs after an AoE and let them fell cleave/equilibrium back to full life without sacrificing any DPS. PLD and DRK just can not pull this off.

Shield for PLD is great. If your MT. If your OT? Useless.
Souleater is great. If you want to suffer the DPS loss from having Grit up.
Bloodbath for DRK is ok. It is still only 15 seconds, and assuming you time it right with C&S, AND everything else you have, sure it could heal you a fair amount. But its not something to rely on.

WAR gets a high amount of self heals without needing to sacrifice very much of anything. Sure, Path isn't that great, but it is still something they can do without sacrificing very much. Just the pure fact that they can give a constant -10% damage dealt on a mob goes a hell of a long way towards heals needed.

[Vogue]

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A DRK has self-healing as well; Souleater says hello. Crossclass Bloodbath also says hello & informs you that DRK does have enough Spike damage to take advantage of it.

Maybe you should take your time to count the amount of healing abilities warriors get, and compare them to pld and drk, include their cooldown times and how often they can be used.

Then come back to us and tell us that they all have the same chance to maintain their hp at decent levels without needing any healer class assistance.

[zlotjko]

i think you can compare war and pld by dps when a war has oshit skill that prevents him for taking damage (no healing needed), cover, shield/block and has the uncanny ability to heal others.
Also war boosts every other tanks, while every other tank does not boost war.

So you are comparing apples and oranges that seem to be on the same shelf/same table.

What you are saying is: "I want oranges that you don't need to peel, apples are op because of it, nerf them"...

[Reynhart]

You haven't played that many MMOs have you? Tank DPS has always been a slippery slope.

I have, thanks...
And DPS tanking was never caused by tank doing too little damage, but by DPS having too much mitigation.
And VIT accessories are far from giving them enough.

[Silver_Blade]

I believe the point is that 7 war 1 whm ok that works, 7 dtk 1 whm, ok that might work, but 7 pld 1 whm? lololollloll nope, (and thats from someone who loves and formerly mained pld)

[Reynhart]

but 7 pld 1 whm? lololollloll nope, (and thats from someone who loves and formerly mained pld)

Let's wait for the proof.
We'll have plenty of time to discuss after that.

[Astral145]

Who cares that was an awesome group of players that did a fantastic job. Kudos to the WHM for timing the heals perfectly + knowing when to pop that swiftcast at the right moment. Honestly I wish PLD could pull more stuff off like that. But honestly PLD needs a whole new revamp... the class is to dry and boring... The reason why more folks want to play DRK and WAR because its actually a fun job to play where as PLD is just bland.

[Neophyte]

It doesn't matter if 7 PLD/DRK + 1 heal are able to do the Job.

I think fact is: 7 WAR + 1 heal can clear more encounters than any other group of 7 something + 1 other and they are always faster than those groups.

Maybe not than 7 SMN with perfect titan-rotation. :>
Oh yeah, and I've seen videos of 7 SCH + 1 tank beating ravana ex, too, but not sure about the time they needed.


And buffing PLD/DRK damagewise? Wouldn't that mean, that you can bring any 7 tanks + 1 heal and clear content? What's the point of dps-classes then?

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I think that a group with not a single dps shouldn't beat dps-races (even the easiest ones) at all.
Like a group with no tank that can't beat the easiest tank-check without some1 dying.
Or like a group with no heal that can't beat the easiest heal-check in game.

Speaking for content without echo and max 10-20 ilvl above the requirement.

[Reynhart]

Like a group with no tank that can't beat the easiest tank-check without some1 dying.
Or like a group with no heal that can't beat the easiest heal-check in game.

That's two more tests after the 7 PLD/DRK + 1 healer :
- A full party without any tank
- A full party without any healer
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