Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[MagiusNecros]

Except it shouldn't matter which tank you bring, as at that point you're bringing the player more than the class. I'm not against varying flavor between jobs, but taking it to extremes (which is reflected in current tank design) does more harm than good in the long run. As I've said in the past, it's only going to get worse when more tanks are added to the roster.

Right now Drk and Pld excel in certain situations but for the most part a Warrior has an answer for every situation. So if they buff the other two and allow all the tank classes to perform with parity among each other then I'm all for it.

But I really feel Pld is hurting the most right now. A lot of the endgame content is more magic focused. And when we get some physical content Drk may or may not suffer but Warrior will be fine.

[PerihVashai]

This could be done easily with 7 PLDs I don't see the whole commotion, this fight isn't hard.

[Awful]

Like most people, I don't really like jobs to be nerfed.
But, from the way I see it, if "all WAR" can clear as fast as usual setup and "all PLD"/"all DRK" can't clear, or can clear much slower, which should be intended, since they're tanks, the wrong numbers should be on WARs.?

The reason being why this group cleared like how they did is how burst is set up in this fight 1 min and 30 sec cds are in huge favor for this fight and the DPS checks are low so you can faceroll everything while mitigating and doing mechanics. It's more about player skill and how if you're a good player in the hands of 200-210 gear with a 205-210 weapon Thordan is a cake walk. We outgear most of the content you have to remember this is a "catch up" patch where everyone and their mother can get a set full of 210 via vertical progression.

Also nothing needs to be nerfed wars are in a great place as being the token OT, Drks and Plds can fill the MT role Thordan is a GREAT fight for Paladins as people who wanna be tanky and take advantage of paladins mitigation will have a blast. It's my favorite fight to tank on at the moment.

[MagiusNecros]

Would the Drk's only be running Grit? Then yes 20% DPS loss. However run Grit and Darkside at the same time(which you need DS for Dark Arts and some other stuff) and you only suffer a 5% DPS loss. Or am I wrong?

[Reynhart]

Would the Drk's only be running Grit? Then yes 20% DPS loss. However run Grit and Darkside at the same time(which you need DS for Dark Arts and some other stuff) and you only suffer a 5% DPS loss. Or am I wrong?

Since you should be always in Darkside, you still lose 20% damage from that "base damage"

[MagiusNecros]

Since you should be always in Darkside, you still lose 20% damage from that "base damage"

Yeah that makes sense.

[MrTherm]

Would the Drk's only be running Grit? Then yes 20% DPS loss. However run Grit and Darkside at the same time(which you need DS for Dark Arts and some other stuff) and you only suffer a 5% DPS loss. Or am I wrong?

Full time Grit? No. To maximize DPS you would need to stance dance to maximize DPS using Blood weapon which you can not use in Grit. It would be heavily dependent on which phase is happening as some require 0 healing, and others can be extremely healer intense. The problem with stance-dancing on DRK is the same as PLD. It requires a GCD and breaks combo. So yea, the issue with DRK's is meeting the DPS check while meeting the heal checks also.

This is why WAR is a much better option. For self heals they get...
A 30 second Bloodbath every 90 seconds. IF a berserked Fell Cleave hits for 8000, thats 2000 HP.
Storm's Path. 50% damage dealt to HP. Regardless of stance.
Equilibrium. If its anything like clemency for potency, its good for 5000 hp Every 60 seconds. (Fun fact, Clem is STR based.)
Inner Beast. If they happen to be in defiance (MT), that's a 300 potency attack straight to HP AND 20% damage down.

PLD gets a lengthy ass cast with a heavy MP sink for self cures. PLD already suffers on DPS end, and this just pours salt on an already gushing wound.
Bloodbath.. HA. Sure its something, but PLD lacks heavy spike damage to maximize it during its 15 second duration.

[Freyyy]

wat

[Ralvenom]

Storm's Path. 50% damage dealt to HP. Regardless of stance.

The self-heal element of Path is irrelevant, because it's generally such a low heal as to not matter. No WAR worth their salt relies on Path for healing. They use Path before Tank Busters, because of this part of the tooltip: "...and lowers target's damage dealt by 10％". That's the part that matters.

Inner Beast. If they happen to be in defiance (MT), that's a 300 potency attack straight to HP AND 20% damage down.

And, if you're a PLD, you have a shield, which is GREAT against physical attacks; use Bulwark & watch Holy Bladedance do very little.

A DRK has self-healing as well; Souleater says hello. Crossclass Bloodbath also says hello & informs you that DRK does have enough Spike damage to take advantage of it.

[Freyyy]

Crossclass Bloodbath also says hello & informs you that DRK does have enough Spike damage to take advantage of it.

That delicious DA C&S crit with Bloodbath tho