The Bottom Feeders: Moves You Never Use and Why.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Well, Storm's path sucks I guess. It's only ever used to cover yourself when your under geared, and then ditched as soon as possible, and the self heal you get from it is equally laughable.

I knew this thread wouldn't let me down. In one thread I have heard that WARs Unchained and Path were bad... Man this is great...

SE you hearing your player base?! You need to buff Path and Unchained ASAP xD

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I knew this thread wouldn't let me down. In one thread I have heard that WARs Unchained and Path were bad... Man this is great...

SE you hearing your player base?! You need to buff Path and Unchained ASAP xD

An unused button is a bad button! Path is unused outside of progression... unless you want to minimize your own dps? I guess?

[Faytte]

For Pld's and Drks, I'm pretty sure it's a dps loss ( Pld's definitely. Haven't actually done the math on Drks, but I'm assuming it is). Wars still get a benefit from it.

That's a good example though. Even as war, I don't use Fracture nearly as much as I used to. I'd increase DoT potency as a solution... but War's already have ridiculous Dps... maybe increasing DoT duration would make it more viable? It would still be a minor Dps increase, but I'd be more interested in not having to reapply it as frequently. Kinda a funny fix, though. I'd be using it more by not needing to use it as often....

It's a loss for Warriors as well. Bleeds do not gain damage buffs from slashing debuffs (the dot damage is considered a poison. Same thing applies to ninjas but their bleed potency is far better). Add in the loss of a deliverance stack and the high tp cost--and no, there is no reason to use it. Watch a Xeno video recently for instance, notice he never uses it.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

It's a loss for Warriors as well. Bleeds do not gain damage buffs from slashing debuffs (the dot damage is considered a poison. Same thing applies to ninjas but their bleed potency is far better). Add in the loss of a deliverance stack and the high tp cost--and no, there is no reason to use it. Watch a Xeno video recently for instance, notice he never uses it.

So... Much... Misinformation...

Fracture is a DPS gain for WAR. It also 100% can be buffed. Maim, Berserk, and STR pots all effect Fracture. That is the entire reason it is only 20 potency.

The reason you do not see it up 100% of the time is because it becomes a DPS loss if you let Eye fall off. So you can really only fit it in if you have low wrath stacks, no Infuriate, and just applied Eye.

It is a 300 pot move guys... Fucking use it.

[Freyyy]

Watch a Xeno video recently for instance, notice he never uses it.

WTF ? The only video where he doesn't refresh it is on 8 WAR Ravana because he's MTing and uses IB at precise times. During Liberation phases it's useless to Fracture because the DoT won't tick for enough time to be worth it.

[Februs]

WAR - Steel Cyclone
Reason: In situations where I do need AOE Enmity and DPS, better to snap aggro with overpower, then build stacks and use triple Decimate. This method is much stronger than using all Wrath stacks on Steel Cyclone since WAR has no AOE enmity issues.
Fix: Possibly reduce stack consumption from all 5 to 3? I feel like this skill does not have a place when Overpower and Decimate exist.

I hadn't even thought of that one, but you're right. I don't use Steel Cyclone nearly as often as I could or probably should. This also has to do a bit with the timing. The move doesn't actually grab aggro until the animation is finished, so it's slower on the cut than overpower. Not to mention the fact that after 1 or 2 Overpowers, I don't really ever need additional aggro.

Interesting pick. Do any experienced Wars know if there are more opportune uses for Steel Cyclone? I know you can get a sudden Hp burst out of it by coupling it with Bloodbath on a mob of 4 or more, but I don' t know if it's worth it or not.

[Februs]

I knew this thread wouldn't let me down. In one thread I have heard that WARs Unchained and Path were bad... Man this is great...

Again... not "BAD." Just less used.

In that regard, Thunda Cat is not wrong. An unused button is an unused button. It doesn't mean that the move needs to be fixed, just that it's not as commonly employed. Relax. No one is trying to knock your beloved Warrior from his perfect pedestal of supremacy.

[Cyhix]

as WHM i've had tanks use cover on me if i've gotten vulnerability debuffed. i say its a good thing to have in emergencies but never really necessary.
also, as WHM i never used repose ever when leveling, but i guess now that i'm leveling BLM i can see how useful sleep can be so i might use it more
i also completely stopped using stoneII as soon as i got stone III

[Dante_V]

I think DA-DD isn't getting enough credit here. Yes, it is useless against bosses, but it is AMAZING in Dungeon trash and PvP, where there's actually a miss chance. Coupled with the blind from DP(also useless against bosses), you eventually stop taking damage for the last half of a pull.

I honestly haven't tried it in pvp, but as far as dungeons and large pulls you can invest that MP into your dps and get much larger returns and mitigation from an actual damage down CD like shadow skin instead of wasting it on an rng evade potential. The opportunity cost of using that buffed just isn't worth it to me when I can mitigate more, melt the mobs with greater dps while recovering more hp when using BP > DA/AD.

Seriously LOLing at some of these other responses tho.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Again... not "BAD." Just less used.

In that regard, Thunda Cat is not wrong. An unused button is an unused button. It doesn't mean that the move needs to be fixed, just that it's not as commonly employed. Relax. No one is trying to knock your beloved Warrior from his perfect pedestal of supremacy.

Except that he totally said an unused button is a "bad" button. That was literally his exact words. Which is stupid. Path is amazing. Period.