The Bottom Feeders: Moves You Never Use and Why.

[Februs]

The weapon also does a lot. If the guy had a weapon with 5-10 ilvl less than you with the exact same gear everywhere else, it's normal that you kept agro.

It was probably the weapon then. He was in Grit (and actually asked me why I had such high enmity gen, to which I answered: "I just push buttons..."), but, at the time, I had the hive weapon and I'm pretty sure he was still rocking the 175-180 Law weapon. So, that must have made the difference.

As for your AoE spam rotation, I'll definitely give this a shot. I'm typically shy on using AD because the Mp cost is so high, but if this works well then I may revise my Mob tanking method. I typically carried over a lot of habits from Pld (rotating targets on primary combo to hold enmity is pretty common and required given the low enmity gen of Flash and RoH), so it has been a learning experience to use AoE spams as a means of holding aggro.

[Freyyy]

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Try it during mass pulls, it's wonderful. Don't bother doing such a rotation for 3-4 mobs. Don't forget to weave your other dCDs and oGCDs while doing it, and you'll feel very good.

[xvshanevx]

[*]3. War: This one's a toughy... Maybe Unchained?

O.o

You're joking right?

[Februs]

O.o

You're joking right?

Partly, yes lol.

But, again, the idea is not to pick out moves which are "bad" (though, in Pld's case they might be). The idea is to pick out moves you don't use as often as other moves (Ie: "I use inner beast far more often than Unchained"), specify why (Ie: "because I'm not as good at working said move into my rotation" or "I stance dance between Defiance and Deliverance, which makes Unchained less useful" (I know this is a false statement. It's just an example I read in another thread somewhere)) and post them here so that either you can come up with possible ways of improving your own utility with said move or someone else might give you insight into how you might make better use of that move by giving you alternative uses or strategies you might not have thought of.

In that regard, any move is fair game. If it's something you don't use often for any reason, you can post it here and see if someone can give you some tips on how to better make use of it. Sometimes there won't be any tips (like Tempered Will, or Cover. The only way to get more use out of those moves now is for SE to make some much needed changes), but sometimes you might learn something.

[MagiusNecros]

Try it during mass pulls, it's wonderful. Don't bother doing such a rotation for 3-4 mobs. Don't forget to weave your other dCDs and oGCDs while doing it, and you'll feel very good.

Listen to this. Abyssal Drain on mass pulls is simply amazing when combined with Blood Price. I'd only ever use AD on huge pulls. I leave Unleash for the smaller stuff. With stuff giving you MP back and you see your health drop is when you pop a DA AD and watch your health go straight up.

It's like one of the few abilities where I actually feel like an actual Dark Knight.

[Lilyth]

Unchained is an amazing CD for gaining and sustaining aggro during pulls and openers. I use it ALL THE TIME.

[Februs]

Listen to this. Abyssal Drain on mass pulls is simply amazing when combined with Blood Price. I'd only ever use AD on huge pulls. I leave Unleash for the smaller stuff. With stuff giving you MP back and you see your health drop is when you pop a DA AD and watch your health go straight up.

It's like one of the few abilities where I actually feel like an actual Dark Knight.

I've been experimenting with it quite a bit just recently. Very different from my normal method of tanking, but I've been getting some pretty solid results. I don't quite have the timing down, though. By the time my Mp starts to get dangerously low, Blood price is back up, so I haven't had a good opportunity to drop Grit and test it out with DA-AD. I still need practice, I guess.

[MoarLegion]

I think DA-DD isn't getting enough credit here. Yes, it is useless against bosses, but it is AMAZING in Dungeon trash and PvP, where there's actually a miss chance. Coupled with the blind from DP(also useless against bosses), you eventually stop taking damage for the last half of a pull.

[Aiio]

PLD - Cover
Reason: Because if someone else has aggro over mobs, then you're not doing your job correctly (barring A2S snipers). Also only blocks physical.
Fix: Possibly shorten CD? Maybe even allow cover on 6 second oGCD like cleric stance? That would be interesting.
DRK - Unleash
Reason: Not saying skill is useless, I just find the least reason to use it. Only ever use it to grab snap aggro, then Blood Price + Abyssal Drain or Dark Passenger.
Fix: Doesn't need a fix, I just don't use it as much since it's on GCD and only used for snap aggro when I run 4 man dungeons (which is not often).
WAR - Steel Cyclone
Reason: In situations where I do need AOE Enmity and DPS, better to snap aggro with overpower, then build stacks and use triple Decimate. This method is much stronger than using all Wrath stacks on Steel Cyclone since WAR has no AOE enmity issues.
Fix: Possibly reduce stack consumption from all 5 to 3? I feel like this skill does not have a place when Overpower and Decimate exist.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Well, Storm's path sucks I guess. It's only ever used to cover yourself when your under geared, and then ditched as soon as possible, and the self heal you get from it is equally laughable.