Change DF Diadem. Seriously.

[Kat_Manx]

4 parties in a row now. Someone leaves. Tanks just disappear after getting flight, some DPS goes off to gather.

Do they have the right to gather? Sure they do. But it ruins the party for those who want to get gear.

Not to mention making PF gathering parties is way easier than making PF mob killing parties. I mean sure they HAVE mob killing parties, but it usually comes with some ridiculous rules to make the organizers life easier.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

How to fix it:

1. Make a Diadem (Gathering)
2. Make gathering extremely vital in order to get good gear.

Other good inclusions: Let parties invite "stranded" members from other parties.

Not so good inclusion: Let members be kicked. This one only if party can be refilled by join in progress or getting those "stranded" members. Can sorta be abused but.. eh, the whole zone is abuse already. 8 hours wasted in one day. Fun.

[Dante_V]

They aren't going to do it and this seems pretty evident from yoshis comments. I wouldn't waste time DF the thing. PF all the way. Getting a group of people with the same goals is absolutely necessary to getting the most out of the diadem. Saying "well they should fix it" is nice and all but they don't see it as broken, so in all likelihood they aren't going to make any game changing or extensive a changes to it ATM. The reality of the situation is if you want to get the most out if it you're going to have to PF it. The problems you have are defined by the nature of a cross server DF in itself which lends to unpreparedness and ambiguity in goals and motivations on NA data centers.

[RukiaFae]

They aren't going to do it and this seems pretty evident from yoshis comments. I wouldn't waste time DF the thing. PF all the way. Getting a group of people with the same goals is absolutely necessary to getting the most out of the diadem. Saying "well they should fix it" is nice and all but they don't see it as broken, so in all likelihood they aren't going to make any game changing or extensive a changes to it ATM. The reality of the situation is if you want to get the most out if it you're going to have to PF it. The problems you have are defined by the nature of a cross server DF in itself which lends to unpreparedness and ambiguity in goals and motivations on NA data centers.

Not being mean but um she already said she had issues with pf parties so your comment was not needed. I shouldn't say not needed but doesn't really help some of the issues. Sorry don't hate me lol

Sorry Op. I do hope they make some positive changes.

[LandricFrey]

I'm gonna make my own Diadem thread, with blackjack and hookers! Aww screw the whole thing.

[Cenewulf]

I'm gonna make my own Diadem thread, with blackjack and hookers! Aww screw the whole thing.

i last night ran the vault with a player called (and i kid you not) Bender Themagnificent

[Malzian]

i last night ran the vault with a player called (and i kid you not) Bender Themagnificent

Funny, I had Vault run with someone with that name the other night...

[Vivi_Bushido]

Do they have the right to gather? Sure they do. But it ruins the party for those who want to get gear.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

Sometimes I wonder if people even bother reading the PF comments or just really honestly dgaf, cause I can't tell you how many times I made parties and you have that one DPS who always still goes off and gathers anyway. In my PF party no less, even though I clearly stated no gathering, no completing objectives. Monster zerging only!

Hell, I've seen people gather in Hard Mode. Like seriously? Why would you be gathering in hard mode? I didn't provide you a tank from my FC just so you could go and gather. It's so frustrating... And if your doing it for the objectives, then for the love of God, speak up and say something! I'm tired of seeing that DPS ditch the group to gather and use the objectives as their crutch to do so. It's even worse when that gatherer is a healer or your tank.

I make PF parties to be my exact specifications and people still join as if they didn't bother reading the message at all. I'm talking especially about those who roll need on 150/180 in a party that has it labeled to be greed only. Please join the party finders only if you agree to abide by all of the rules. I don't care if you want ESOs. I made this PF for that exact reason. It's my party, not yours. So don't be pissed if I get upset that your gathering in my party cause I sat patiently in this PF waiting for 7 other people to agree to my terms.

Like, I had one guy leave 40mins early because I didn't want to complete the objectives in a party I created. And of course I won't want to do them if I'm capped. However, it turns out he was mostly there for the ESOs alone anyway cause he went on a rant about how shitty the 210 stuff was. Like save your arguments, cause I made this party because I don't mind playing this RNG game for gear. I only get frustrated when others have to make the grind worse by not agreeing to my terms in my party. If you don't like my terms, then please, go make your own party like I did.

Sigh... Is it really too much to ask for people to read and agree to everything in the PF comment before joining?

[Ashkendor]

Not to mention making PF gathering parties is way easier than making PF mob killing parties. I mean sure they HAVE mob killing parties, but it usually comes with some ridiculous rules to make the organizers life easier.

PF gathering parties don't always fill, and that's a situation where you absolutely have to have 8/8 before you go in or you really will ruin someone's day. Imagine being the one poor sot that queued solo and landed in a 7/8 gathering party. If you got to 5/8 or 6/8 in a hunting party and were still waiting, you could just queue up. As far as "ridiculous rules" on PF parties to make the organizer's life easier... well, they're the ones taking the time to organize the party. If you want to set the rules, make your own.

I know what you're going to say. Use Party Finder or do it with your FC. Well, sure, but both of those have also failed not to mention since it IS in the DF and you COULD fix it, why not do it?

Duty Finder always has been (and always will be) a place where you don't know what you're going to end up with. If you want 8 people guaranteed to be on the same page, you really should put together a Party Finder and be clear about the requirements.

Other good inclusions: Let parties invite "stranded" members from other parties.

This is actually a pretty good suggestion, not sure how much of a bear it would be to code though.

Not being mean but um she already said she had issues with pf parties so your comment was not needed. I shouldn't say not needed but doesn't really help some of the issues. Sorry don't hate me lol

Sorry Op. I do hope they make some positive changes.

If she's having issues with PF, then the group organizer is likely not being clear about what the party is for. Either that or they're just ending up with jerks, which will happen from time to time despite your best efforts. The best you can do is blacklist them and move on.

Honestly, there's already 3 or 4 threads about Diadem on the front page alone, so the entire thread "was not needed."

Sigh... Is it really too much to ask for people to read and agree to everything in the PF comment before joining?

No, it's not too much to ask at all. It's actually a very reasonable request. Honestly, I think 90% of the problems that people have in PF could probably be solved or avoided in their entirety if they would just read the comments before joining.

[xXRaineXx]

Can't go a day without a Diadem thread fix! This thing is more addictive than crack!

[Kat_Manx]

To people complaining about too much complaining: The more we complain, the more likely it is to be fixed. Unless you're trying to complain enough to stop me from complaining. That won't work. This was in fact MY first complaint regarding Diadem. Let's see if more are needed!