Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore

[zosia]

Six is more than four since you like to be precise but anyways. I'm glad that it works for you but not everyone has that ability. Anyways. They just need to scrap Diadem. Give the best gear to best players and unlock the tomes and VA so I can gear up my other jobs. Would that please you

Just make diadem loot have the same stat budgets as the rest of the 210 gear available. That's what I want at this point. I don't want diadem gear coming with 50+ extra stat points over other 210 gear. Diadem gear should not be entirely BiS. Is that such a bad concession? I am just over it, absolutely over it that something so reasonable is so hard to fight for in this game.

I am over it and the same is true for many in this raiding community. Don't worry, we won't be around much longer. When my friends quit, I am certainly following suit and I am sure that this sentiment ripples throughout the raiding community.

[RiceisNice]

Just make diadem loot have the same stat budgets as the rest of the 210 gear available. That's what I want at this point. I don't want diadem gear coming with 50+ extra stat points over other 210 gear. Diadem gear should not be entirely BiS. Is that such a bad concession? I am just over it, absolutely over it that something so reasonable is so hard to fight for in this game.

The gear honestly at this point is secondary to me. Diadem just isn't fun and I doubt this is what they had in mind when all people are doing is zerg/farming to spawn NMs Whether it's BiS or not, the journey to getting it isn't fun, just tedious and and wall-banging at worst (which can also be said for savage, since the gear incentive is technically still there.

[Ashkendor]

The gear honestly at this point is secondary to me. Diadem just isn't fun and I doubt this is what they had in mind when all people are doing is zerg/farming to spawn NMs Whether it's BiS or not, the journey to getting it isn't fun, just tedious and and wall-banging at worst (which can also be said for savage, since the gear incentive is technically still there.

It's gotten a lot less zergy since the update, tbh. You can't just all camp on one island or you run out of mobs.

People actually have to spread out and kill elsewhere now.

[RiceisNice]

It's gotten a lot less zergy since the update, tbh. You can't just all camp on one island or you run out of mobs.

People actually have to spread out and kill elsewhere now.

Still zergy none-the-less, all you're really doing at that point is still killing mobs for drops, instead of exploring for other triggers. All it does is disperse the farming areas rather than encouraging other activities within Diadem for NM (like notorious treasure maps or actually tracking down fresh tracks.)

[Aarik]

I can't help but laugh with a mixture of incredulity and disgust when I see all these raiders getting to bent out of shape over diadem's loot system. Is it balanced? No, not at all. And the time investment for getting an epic piece in diadem is probably equal if not better than the time investment for savage, without the skill and coordination needed. I agree on that. But at least raiding is relevant. At least there's a point to it. It's very, very easy to distinguish a savage raider versus a casual, the gear tells all. And you have a 210 weapon that cannot be beat or even equaled (yet). I've seen many posts that essentially sum up the argument in a very economical approach; high risk for high reward. I agree, though honestly the only thing you stand to lose is your time when running savage, so I would dispute the high risk factor.

All this being said, you all sit here and rant for page after page about how raid no longer has BiS (though once again, the weapons remain BiS). Here's what I have to say; at least your passion (raiding) is relevant, and actively released every 2 patches or so regardless of the small player base that is hardcore raiders. You know what isn't relevant, despite a just as large player base (well, used to be just as large)? Crafting. You sit there and rage, yet you get relevant content on the regular. Crafters? You know the last time we had content that was relevant? I'll give you a clue; ironworks gear. You know, a little less than a year ago? ilvl110 crafted gear, when HQ'ed, was relevant gear. And then there was....nothing. Then along comes heavensward, and we get our hopes up. Aand.....tada! Yay, new top-tier gear! ilvl180! I mean, sure BiS was 210 savage, but almost noone had that. So pretty much it was 10 levels lower than the obtainable BiS (alex normal). Awesome. Until you looked at the mats needed to make the gear, that is. Gated materials, and ones that were stupidly hard to obtain and make, much less HQ. And did I mention the cost of the materials? So neat, we had relevant gear to sell to players....if they had 5-10 million gil to throw away per piece. Awesome. So I, perhaps stupidly, get my hopes up for 3.1 and prepare my crafters as best I can for the superior, less stupidly expensive gear that should come out in 3.1. And here it is! It's....ilvl185! The same level of DUNGEON GEAR! Epic! And there's more! You can't meld anything onto them! Even better! So let's see; crafters get to make gear that is: 1; 25 ilvls below bis. 2; Non-meldable. 3; ugly as sin. Did I mention that they're all locked behind specialist recipe lock-outs? But hey, cooking got....one recipe! Neat! At this point, seems pretty clear to me that Yoshi and friends do NOT want crafters to be a thing in FFXIV. Wish they would just go ahead and say so.

tl;dr? Stop whining, raiders. At least you have content that is relevant, if diminished. Could be worse; your passion could have been crafting.

[FeliAiko]

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Tells raiders to stop whining (despite conceding their their points are valid), yet goes on to whine about crafting. Smart move there.

Crafted battle gear being nerfed and or/gated was an issue raiders had as well, btw. Plus SE have already said they'd make battle crafted gear more powerful again in 3.2.

[Aarik]

Tells raiders to stop whining (despite conceding their their points are valid), yet goes on to whine about crafting. Smart move there.

Crafted battle gear being nerfed and or/gated was an issue raiders had as well, btw. Plus SE have already said they'd make battle crafted gear more powerful again in 3.2.

Yet you seem to completely skip the part where raiding is still valid and viable, while crafting is far, far beyond an afterthought. As for SE saying they'll make things better in 3.2 for crafters, I'll just leave this little quote here: "While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable." ----- Yoshi-P.