Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore

[BloodPact]

It so easy to tell people who have raided a4s who have not. You're obviously not a person who has raided a4s. You speak from ignorance and you should try a4s for yourself before making crappy statements. Speaking as a person who has beaten yoshida's crazy moby dick styled whale hunt of a fight (a4s), I can tell you it is one of the worst designed fights I have ever raided in. You know how many people have cleared a4s worldwide before 3.1? Hmm? Do ya? It was around 3k, world wide.

Not only have I not tried A4S. I haven't any of the Savage turns; because I'm not interested. How would me raiding or not be relevant to my point?

That is less than 0.1% of the player base. So players that climb that mountain, but might be a percent or two behind the enrage deserves nothing better than mindless raiding* in void ark and alex normal? Get outta here, you make as much sense as an igloo in the desert.

If at this point you are still trying to finish Savage you are not hardcore; the OP is referring to the hardcore section of the playerbase. If you are among those who push for world clears and that sort of stuff, the hardcore base, then I say it again, you should reconsider your approach to FFXIV.

I rather please players like the OP. People who actually contribute to this game's community and the out-of-game resources for other players. Let's face it, casual players are much less likely to bring the same substance to the community as a very dedicated player. It's all good though, lets keep driving any talent or quality players away from this game. This patch and the last patch have been train wrecks in the end game community, but people like you don't care about that. It's all about you and your sense of entitlement wanting everything for a fraction of the effort.

Yoshida: Yes! Let's definitely keep developing to those 0.1% of players you just mentioned and leave whatever time we can spare to the 99.9%. I'm sure the board of directors will give me a huge Christmas bonus from the killing numbers we'll make in revenue!

Grow up.

[Archaell]

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If I may ask, what would make you interested in the savage? Because that's the most important question. Casuals need way more motivation than hc raiders to try something hard.

Developing content for only small portion of the playerbase isn't wise... but you can develop content for the hardcore raiders and at the same time make it appealing enough for the casuals, even though it would take them longer to achieve their goals.

[BloodPact]

If I may ask, what would make you interested in the savage? Because that's the most important question. Casuals need way more motivation than hc raiders to try something hard.

Developing content for only small portion of the playerbase isn't wise... but you can develop content for the hardcore raiders and at the same time make it appealing enough for the casuals, even though it would take them longer to achieve their goals.

Having a solo version. Relying on 7 other people is not my cup of tea. I grew very frustrated about it back in the Final Coil seeing people make the same mistakes over and over and my free time after work and before bed melt away and end up with frustration instead of a fun time. So I just quit endgame. This is an MMO, so asking for what I want is kind of absurd, so I just completely ignore raiding and not even consider it part of the game.

I agree. We should definitely get more raids and even harder regular dungeons. I've been saying for a long time that for a game that brings so much profit to a company that their team remains so small is baffling. This is one of the reasons why they probably need to keep choosing between what to release. I'm all for hardcores getting their share of content as well.

What I don't agree with is when other people complain like the OP is saying, which basically is that no one outside of Savage deserves i210, especially when it doesn't affect them in the least. It's obviously just the hurt put on the superiority complex.

[Ashkendor]

NYoshida: Yes! Let's definitely keep developing to those 0.1% of players you just mentioned and leave whatever time we can spare to the 99.9%. I'm sure the board of directors will give me a huge Christmas bonus from the killing numbers we'll make in revenue!

Grow up.

Er. That person stated that they thought A4S was terribly designed. How does this even make sense in that context?

Not relevant. That's like saying you need to be a politician to comment on politics. What I said in your quote about not needing Diadem for Savage is a fact, not an opinion.

Bad example. Politicians set laws for and govern everyone, including non-politicians, so being interested in politics is reasonable. Raiders and non-raiders really don't have that same interaction. A better example would be someone that only watches football telling a college quarterback that he's not good enough for the NFL so he should just hang it up and go play PeeWee football instead.

[hagare]

Bad example. Politicians set laws and govern everyone, including non-politicians, so being interested in politics is reasonable. Raiders and non-raiders really don't have that same interaction. A better example would be someone that only watches football telling a college quarterback that he's not good enough for the NFL so he should just hang it up and go play PeeWee football instead.

Because you need to be a pro to say the truth on something?
Then I guess to you every movie is good, every food is delicious, and every athlete is good enough to make it to the pros.

He may not raid savage, but you know what he said is true about not needing diadem gear to clear savage.
Unless all those clear stats before 3.1 are fake.
Unless of course the problem you have is with a non-raider saying the truth.

[Ashkendor]

Because you need to be a pro to say the truth on something?
Then I guess to you every movie is good, every food is delicious, and every athlete is good enough to make it to the pros.

He may not raid savage, but you know what he said is true about not needing diadem gear to clear savage.
Unless all those clear stats before 3.1 are fake.
Unless of course the problem you have is with a non-raider saying the truth.

Nope. He's failing to take into account people's varying skill levels and the amount of time they have to dedicate to raiding, though. My static is on A3S right now, and progress is slow at best. We're not as skilled or as dedicated to raiding as the likes of Elysium and Lucrezia, and I'll be the first to admit that. We also had some awful roster issues back in A2S that almost entirely kept us from raiding for a little over two weeks. The thing is, we still enjoy tackling the harder content in the game. So what, if we can't pass it at our current item level we don't deserve to clear and we should just hang it up and go home? Or maybe we should just keep beating our heads against it till either the static breaks up or we break through the wall we're at? It seems more reasonable to obtain more gear and keep trying since that loosens the DPS checks and makes it easier to survive some mechanics.

Do the best of the best need more gear to clear? No, but many other people arguably do, and I find it more than a little amusing to have what amounts to a backseat driver telling me what I need or don't need to achieve what I want to achieve in the game.

[BloodPact]

Nope. He's failing to take into account people's varying skill levels and the amount of time they have to dedicate to raiding, though. My static is on A3S right now, and progress is slow at best. We're not as skilled or as dedicated to raiding as the likes of Elysium and Lucrezia, and I'll be the first to admit that. We also had some awful roster issues back in A2S that almost entirely kept us from raiding for a little over two weeks. The thing is, we still enjoy tackling the harder content in the game. So what, if we can't pass it at our current item level we don't deserve to clear and we should just hang it up and go home? Or maybe we should just keep beating our heads against it till either the static breaks up or we break through the wall we're at? It seems more reasonable to obtain more gear and keep trying since that loosens the DPS checks and makes it easier to survive some mechanics.

Do the best of the best need more gear to clear? No, but many other people arguably do, and I find it more than a little amusing to have what amounts to a backseat driver telling me what I need or don't need to achieve what I want to achieve in the game.

To clarify, when I said that no one needs the Diadem drops for Savage I was referring to the hardcore group of players. People who are casually progressing are a much wider group and, like you said, will have many different skill levels and usually welcome things like Diadem because it pushes ilvls a bit faster so they can progress within the raid.

[Ashkendor]

To clarify, when I said that no one needs the Diadem drops for Savage I was referring to the hardcore group of players. People who are casually progressing are a much wider group and, like you said, will have many different skill levels and usually welcome things like Diadem because it pushes ilvls a bit faster so they can progress within the raid.

The problem is, you didn't say that at all. What you said was:

I would like to point out that NO ONE, not a single player in this game NEEDS the drops from Diadem. If you are still unable to beat A4S after your group has been i200+ for idk how long you should consider raiding Void Ark instead of Gordias. Just saying.

There's nothing in there about hardcore/casual. Just a blanket statement from someone who hasn't even set foot in the content who's basically taking it upon themselves to say that my static and people like us should give up on Savage since we haven't cleared it yet.

Okay then.

Just make diadem loot have the same stat budgets as the rest of the 210 gear available. That's what I want at this point. I don't want diadem gear coming with 50+ extra stat points over other 210 gear. Diadem gear should not be entirely BiS. Is that such a bad concession? I am just over it, absolutely over it that something so reasonable is so hard to fight for in this game.

I think that'd be a pretty good compromise actually.

[hagare]

Nope. He's failing to take into account people's varying skill levels and the amount of time they have to dedicate to raiding, though. My static is on A3S right now, and progress is slow at best. We're not as skilled or as dedicated to raiding as the likes of Elysium and Lucrezia, and I'll be the first to admit that. We also had some awful roster issues back in A2S that almost entirely kept us from raiding for a little over two weeks. The thing is, we still enjoy tackling the harder content in the game. So what, if we can't pass it at our current item level we don't deserve to clear and we should just hang it up and go home? Or maybe we should just keep beating our heads against it till either the static breaks up or we break through the wall we're at? It seems more reasonable to obtain more gear and keep trying since that loosens the DPS checks and makes it easier to survive some mechanics.

Do the best of the best need more gear to clear? No, but many other people arguably do, and I find it more than a little amusing to have what amounts to a backseat driver telling me what I need or don't need to achieve what I want to achieve in the game.

True. People have varying skills.
What comes easy to some might not be so easy to others.
You might take longer to clear it if you don't have diadem gear, but you can finally clear it if you practice more.

But that still doesn't change fact.
Because objectively, the stats you need to clear it is already provided in the gear before 3.0
Do you need diadem gear to finally clear it? No. But it'll certainly help if you still have trouble with savage.

You don't need to be as good as elysium or lucrezia.
In some servers the content is even PUGable before 3.1

And I'm sorry but people skills, scheduling and roster problems are all on the player.
It doesn't matter what ilvl other players are wearing, because they don't effect you.

[Arashmin]

Bad example. Politicians set laws for and govern everyone, including non-politicians, so being interested in politics is reasonable. Raiders and non-raiders really don't have that same interaction. A better example would be someone that only watches football telling a college quarterback that he's not good enough for the NFL so he should just hang it up and go play PeeWee football instead.

Actually there is some truth to it. They may not generate the content, but they are the ones that are being developed for at the high-end, with there being a huge gap from there to the next hardest content. So, while indirectly so, they do dictate the success and failure of the end-game, even if not directly (which also, a vast number of politicians are in that boat, probably to the same extent of 'Raiders who are not devs' to 'Raiders who are devs', especially with the current clear numbers).