Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore

[Ladon]

I knew the token system was going to ruin the game the day I learned about it in 2.0.

The token design has resulted in a game where the bulk of the content is trivialized by constantly overgeared players, out of control power creep, lots of bosses 'hard mechanics" that primarily just ignore player gear and a situation where developers actually believe glamour as the primary reward for endgame content is perfectly acceptable.

[Primm]

Even if .. the Alexander "glamour" is probably the least wanted in the game ever since. I rarely see people using that ugly equip, maybe only after a server first to brag a bit ...

The reward/difficulty curve for content is just totally ridicolous now ... Dungeons (185) to Alex (190) to Void Ark (200) to Alex Savage (210) to Diadem (210 with better stats) ...
I hoped Diadem would improve the game or be just "not fun", but imho it's the worst of Atma farming and fating/hunting together ... zombie gameplay that nets the best equipment in the game

Just cause it stinged me ...

You can't say you don't need BIS because you don't raid, I don't do raids I don't do static but I still want BIS.

What a ridicolous argument ... i don't want to level to 60 but i want the best gear!

The way it is right now they could just delete all the attributes, resistences etc. from players and gear and just give everybody the same (tbh it's not that we have any big options right now ....) from the start. Then we only do content for the sake of it or for glamour.

[hagare]

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technically, no one ever "need" BiS gear.
Why would you need it? to beat the content that drop said gear?

PS: glamour IS true end game :P

BiS gear only works as BiS gear if there's a harder content that doesn't give gear but just achievements, vanity stuff etc etc that doesn't actually influence gameplay.
so basically something like coil savage.
content that is basically there just for the challenge and bragging rights where you need the best gear from other current content to actually have a chance to beat.

[Xiomara]

I'm not going to comment on the whole gear situation, as I'm a filthy casual and the number of fucks I give is 0.

But I do agree that the Alex story is really bad. Love the music, and I like the design of the areas and the fact that there's a story mode so I can experience it, but the story itself has a whole heap of issues, that the release of the Void Ark has made painfully clear.

Seriously, the core story for the Void Ark and Alexander is mostly the same. "Oh no! A dangerous place appeared, lets go loot explore it before the bad people do!". But the Void Ark is far more entertaining:

- It's characters are better (in that it actually has characters, unlike Miss Scarred Waifu who's a non-event)

- The 'tension' is better (the Void Ark TORE A GIANT HOLE IN SPACE TIME, Alex just punched a shoreline)

I'd go on, but a 1000 character limit? wtf. So yeah, the story is my only complaint about Alex. Hopefully the Part 2 story is improved.

[Yurihyuga]

part 2? pfftt they should just scrap the whole entire thing and get back to the drawing board. But as usual they will release part 2 still keep to the same boring story because its all they have they will try distract us in 3.2 with meldable tome and raid gear making people go into diadem for spoils to buy materia oh and a long relic grind.

3.2 please look forward to it. This game is gonna sink faster than the titanic if they keep this up but here is hoping there will actually be some improvements.

[Xiozen]

The OP has nailed it on all counts. I continue to sub to both XI and XIV...however, I will be letting my XIV sub lapse, since I haven't logged in in quite some time... my personal reasons are as follows: 1) Crafting, since it has taken such a hit, I don't even gather anymore; I use to enjoy leveling all of them, even specializing, but now, its not worth the time, since no gil can be realized due to the recent changes SE implemented. 2) The content, as the OP noted, is recycled.. it's not fun. I was "not" pleasantly surprised in the two most recent dungeons to see the mechanics were well.. familiar... to the point that I lost interest. 3) I'm actually having more fun in XI over XIV due to the fact that I can spend quality time with my "relic" weapon... XIV doesn't have a relic... the Zodiac "started" as an idea of a relic, but devolved into a let's make everyone happy and put folks on equal footing regardless of when you start the game... this may work from a business standpoint in terms of bringing in new people...but for your loyal folks that maintained a steady subscription and who wanted a "real" relic (FFXI'esque)..this was very disappointing. I've now downloaded and spending quality time in the F2P Elder Scrolls which I'm actually enjoying due to it's lore... so until I see something worthwhile come back to XIV, I don't think I'll be reactivating my subscription anytime soon.... I'll miss everyone though, for it has been a cool run, up until a little after 3.0. 4) Story. 2.0 story was cool.. 3.0 started strong... and so far, has been really...well kinda boring, so much so, I haven't even done any of the quests recently released in 3.1... not happy at all. I hope the Devs are taking in this feedback... I'd hate to see the game start out so strong only to fall because of continuous missteps that were not addressed when the opportunities presented themselves.

Peace!

[Mature]

I'm enjoying myself if you ask me I just basically GET ON WITH IT rather than complaining about this subject over and OVER again.

I enjoy Diadem and even though I haven't had much of a chance to test savage it seems fun.

Move on and enjoy the game....

[AeraLure]

I wish the arguments between "casuals" and "better than casuals" would just end. Seriously. No one is better than anyone else simply because they raid or they do not. I couldn't care less about raiding in this game due to the difficulty in setting up a static, the time investment aimed at doing something that sounds by all accounts to be anything but fun, the rewards not being worth that and the vitriol of players who raid versus those who do not. I would have liked to, but having read enough here on the forums and had enough experiences in the game, I won't set foot in there unless it's with all very close friends. This somehow makes me a lesser class of player? And SE wonders why so few even try it?

[BloodPact]

One last thing, I don't believe everybody should have the same change to have the best gear like in Diadem. If you're casual, social and you don't raid. Odds are you don't need that BiS anyways. Its meant for raiders that spend time and need the gear for raiding. It's meant for them to have a reason to do it and have some glory. If you are a social / casual player and you say the game should be for you to enjoy. I, the hardcore player, should have the same right. I never complained about the social aspects of the game because I liked the hardcore aspects of it but SE destroyed the hardcore aspect of this game.

Everyone has the same chance to have the best gear in the game, except what was the best gear, the Gordian set, was locked behind skill (mostly) and now Diadem focuses more on the beloved RNG to distribute rewards. Still, in any of these cases, any player has and has had the same chance to get the item; just that the majority of the playerbase will never get to it through Savage because the percentage of people who bother with that content is in the single digits (A4S). So, in reality, right now, in this patch, gear is more evenly distributed among the playerbase because even those who don't have the skill required for Alexander have at least a chance at that ilvl through another mean. Quit your whining; you, the hardcore player, are nothing more than another 12.95 and have EXACTLY the same rights as any of the other accounts in this business.

I would like to point out that NO ONE, not a single player in this game NEEDS the drops from Diadem. If you are still unable to beat A4S after your group has been i200+ for idk how long you should consider raiding Void Ark instead of Gordias. Just saying.

I do agree, though, that the recycling should stop. The content tiers of instances got boring even before the expansion. I understand it saves a great deal of resources while providing somewhat new content, but there should be a limit. I'm actually expecting something like New Dungeon A + Dusk Vigil (Hard), New Dungeon B + Sohm Al (Hard), New Dungeon C + Aery (Hard), etc. Hoping I'm wrong...

[RukiaFae]

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I just want to say I love you lol. It's so true having better gear won't make you a better player, especially in raids. Either you have the skill or not.

So what if someone got great gear from something you don't want to do. How does that effect you clearing your raid? You cleared something hard and have to skill to do it. Your consolation prize is Savage gear. No one can get that gear unless you beat it. You don't even need it because you already beat it with out. The only thing higher level gear affects right now is your ego. Nobody needs this gear, it just makes us feel good when we wear it lol

SN- I raiding and improving my skills but like the other posters said it's not worth it because you can't find enough people willing to do it. Hell no body even wants to do Ravana or Void Ark. Back in the day people did the old primals and towers all the time. If you can't get people to do those then it's nearly impossible to form a static for Savage. Coils were fun to learn and you felt accomplished from beating it whether you got gear or not