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[AlphaFox]

I'm not exactly upset about the changes, I mean I can see why but at the same time, they really should test some of these things out with a select group and see how they act. As it is, the decrease really only hurts new people getting into it as those who already spammed the hell out of it already got a nice load of 210 gear and/or the mount they wanted. It just results in people having to run it longer now. That is my only gripe when it comes to lowering the drops is those who reaped it first got the most reward due to SE saying "Nah, that wasn't intended"

[Caitlinzulu]

I've been running Diadem since it became live and still havent gotten that many good 210 pieces. Most of them got junk stats and even when you get a decent piece the stats arent earth shattering better then upgraded eso gear. So lowering the spanrate isnt that big a deal i think.

Most of the 210 gear is just good enough for your retainers.

[Jynx]

Is that why I see so many 'Diadem is better now!' threads?

Think of it this way, people who enjoyed Diadem in the first place never posted either. They had no reason to post they were enjoying the content. The people who did not enjoy the content gave their feedback on the system.

The developers being grown adults weighed the feedback and decided to take action upon it, not just because people were complaining about it. Now that changes have been made those who are now enjoying Diadem are off doing that, why post about a thread when they just... play Diadem now. Adversly those who are upset with the changes now come to the forums and give feedback as well as the players who are unsatisfied with the extent of the changes proposed.

It's not that the developers only act when people complain, it just gets noticed more when a system is changed that's been a hot-button topic. It's like how you remember your 1% failures more than your 1% HQs

[WinterLuna]

Is that why I see so many 'Diadem is better now!' threads?

Why would everyone come onto the Forums to thank SE for the changes? You are acting like the entire player base is one person. The player base isn't one mind. One side likes the changes and the other doesn't. What's so complicated about that?

[Whiteroom]

Now they changed it so it's less viable, yes it's more grindy... but everyone loves to 'make' things grindy.
Thus the complaints changed from 'DIADEM RUINED THE GAME CHANGE IT!' to 'OMG YOU CHANGED IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!'.

Irony never changes... Though it's quite amusing to read during my breaks, so keep em coming ;p

What I find funny is when people post these threads as if it is the same people saying these things. I wonder how you think it is ironic. If people think something is fine, they will rarely say something about it. If they hate it, they will complain. So you get the core group of people unsatisfied with something crying about it, and it ruins it for those who are happy with it, then they will complain. It seems fairly obvious that this would happen, don't you think?

[Ilitsa]

the only thing I think is funny is the comments saying "bis should only come from savage" when that's NEVER been the case. the game has ALWAYS been mix and match on where you get gear to get bis

[zosia]

Just putting this out there first, I'm enjoying the game as it is. It's not WOW (not WoW) great, but not 'this shites dyin' bad. (Sorry for the bad puns...).

Before the hotfix came along, people all over complained that Diadem killed the core content of the game for giving out free 210's... though I probably did it about 15 times and only got one monster chest.

Now they changed it so it's less viable, yes it's more grindy... but everyone loves to 'make' things grindy.
Thus the complaints changed from 'DIADEM RUINED THE GAME CHANGE IT!' to 'OMG YOU CHANGED IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!'.

Irony never changes... Though it's quite amusing to read during my breaks, so keep em coming ;p

Yeah, sorry that all of us with our single mindedness flip flop so easily. I guess the united NA player base is just too indecisive! Tell ya what, I will bring up your post at the next general player meeting after we decide what we want to complain about as a whole that week. /s

multiple people == multiple opinions, what a novel concept!

the only thing I think is funny is the comments saying "bis should only come from savage" when that's NEVER been the case. the game has ALWAYS been mix and match on where you get gear to get bis

nope, you're wrong. The game only has one source of BiS now. Diadem.

Is there a constructive point to this thread?

nope

99% of the time I'd agree with this, but this time how do we even know it was the player base that caused the changes? I don't think SE actually intended players to zerg mobs for 90 minutes and come home with crazy amounts of BiS 210 gear. I think they messed up from the beginning and realised their mistake.

It's not always players that influence Square. They can mess up to, and have to pick up the pieces.

Careful, the white knights around here will eat you alive if you keep making sense.

*Hilarity. Sorry, that was really bugging me.

HAHAHA, glad I was not the only one who had noticed. I was expecting the thread to relate to Hillary C. somehow.

[Kosmos992k]

For instance, I think that a more reasonable change would have being to allow only 1 item 210 per week.

That would be an utterly terrible change that would likely kill Diadem as content that anyone would do. Given that the gear is based on RNG for not only the type an ilvl, but also the primary and secondary attributes on the items, the chances of getting a really good, BiS piece are pretty damned low. But when you have 10's of thousands of players spamming the content and then posting the supposed results it begins to look as if good gear is raining from the skies.

If there is a 1% chance (for example) of an item actually being ilvl 210 BiS for some job or another, and you limit people to 1 piece per week, you're essentially saying that it will - on average take about 2 years of playing to obtain a piece of gear that the player would actually use, Not only that but unless the chance of a truly BiS ilvl 210 piece are much greater than 1%, your change would condemn many players to never seeing a viable piece of gear in Diadem at all. Even with a higher drop rate, the impact of RNG would still mean some players would likely see no decent gear in Diadem ever.

I've been running Diadem since it became live and still havent gotten that many good 210 pieces. Most of them got junk stats and even when you get a decent piece the stats arent earth shattering better then upgraded eso gear. So lowering the spa(w)nrate isnt that big a deal i think.

Most of the 210 gear is just good enough for your retainers.

Indeed, at least with retainers, the stats on the gear are meaningless, so you just worry about ilvl.

[zosia]

That would be an utterly terrible change

Why would it be so terrible? We have similar restrictions with eso tomes, void ark, and alex savage. People should take weeks and months to gear up, not just a few days of mind numbing grinding.

[Kosmos992k]

Why would it be so terrible? We have similar restrictions with eso tomes, void ark, and alex savage. People should take weeks and months to gear up, not just a few days of mind numbing grinding.

There are no retrictions even remotely similar to how bad gating Diadem to 1 ilvl 210 piece of gear per week would be. Because 1 ilvl 210 piece per week with the RNG in Diadem does not equal weeks or even months of grind, it equals years of grind.

Of course it depends on the effective chance of obtaining a good, ilvl 210 piece of gear that qualifies as BiS. If the cumulative effect of all the RNG, and rolling on gear leaves you with more than a 1% chance of getting something good each time, I will be quite surprised.