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    Regarding the "People in Ala Mhigo are content with Garlean rule" angle, It would be interesting to see a faction that wants to Secede from Eorzea, even try to separate the city-state form the continent, as a contrast to the Resistance, they feel that the Garleans are a much better deal then their King of Ruin and would do everything to keep Ala Mhigo under Garlemald's thumb, while realizing that Ala Mhigo would never truly be welcome in Eorzea anyway due to past transgressions (The Autumn war, the attempted Regicide in Ul'dah, and other things) and that most only want to free Ala Mhigo because Garlemald is encroaching on their (Eorzea's) turf. Their hope is that by removing the city state form Eorzea/Aldenard would mean that the Garleans would have no reason to go further or that the Alliance would no longer have the "right" to bring Ala Mhigo into the fold anymore (Depending on how aware they are of the Empire's motives) and thus removing Ala Mhigo out of the equation that is the Eorzea/Garlemald war
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    Based on what we heard of what the Garleans are doing to the occupied Ala Mhigans I doubt there are many Ala Mhigans that like their Garlean oppressors.

    The Domans would not have rebelled if the Garleans treated them nicely and/or as equals. And we know Garleans are trying very hard to be the new Allagans and we all know how the Allagans were.

    There's always a "good faction" amongst these type of Empires, but for the most part they seem set to rule over everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    Based on what we heard of what the Garleans are doing to the occupied Ala Mhigans I doubt there are many Ala Mhigans that like their Garlean oppressors.

    The Domans would not have rebelled if the Garleans treated them nicely and/or as equals. And we know Garleans are trying very hard to be the new Allagans and we all know how the Allagans were.

    There's always a "good faction" amongst these type of Empires, but for the most part they seem set to rule over everyone.
    They're heavily based off of the Roman Empire - and whilst the Romans could be cruel it cannot be denied that they influenced cultures for the better. Having the Ala Mhigans 'defanged' may work out in Eorzea's benefit - especially given their history. I'm not convinced that it's wise to liberate them - especially given all the atrocities they've committed in the name of their homeland. I'm still not sure how theft, murder and assassination attempts are meant to bring it back...
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    I wouldn't be surprised and hoping its just people telling "sob" stories or only the atrocities they witness and count the entire empire as bad which why during the 2.0 story line I immediately agreed with Gaius that I don't believe in the city states and considering how the crisis in Ul'dah was resolved still makes his words ring true.

    Besides its not like Doma trying to succeed from the empire during a crisis when they thought they were at their weakest due to succession crisis thus creating more unrest to neighboring provinces did not warrant swift retribution no matter how brutal.
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    I do feel as though the tales about Garlean 'atrocities' are greatly exaggerated. We actively fought the slaughtered many Dravanians before learning of the nature of their plight. I'm not saying that the Garleans are perfect, mind you, but pretty much everything they can be blamed for can be seen to some extent within Eorzea itself. Square do a pretty good job of creating sympathetic antagonists so I hope they continue to do just that. As for the situation in Doma...perhaps the Domans slaughtered innocents in their attempt to free themselves from Garlean rule? That'd make it more dubious - and we don't know exactly what went on. Perhaps they tried to summon a Primal?

    Some Domans remained loyal to Garlemald anyway - suggesting that Garlean rule wasn't completely horrific.
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    I don't really see it. The Ala Mhigans were pretty much a non-threat after their failed attempt in conquering Gridania (which would have eventually led to trying to invade other parts of Eorzea).

    Just like when Doma existed, there still hope for Ala Mhigo to be liberated. The only way is to burn the whole place down, just like Doma. I'm pretty sure Doma isn't that innocent, either, given their Shinobi and how they seem based on feudal Japan system
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    I don't really see it. The Ala Mhigans were pretty much a non-threat after their failed attempt in conquering Gridania (which would have eventually led to trying to invade other parts of Eorzea).

    Just like when Doma existed, there still hope for Ala Mhigo to be liberated. The only way is to burn the whole place down, just like Doma. I'm pretty sure Doma isn't that innocent, either, given their Shinobi and how they seem based on feudal Japan system
    ...wait what? You going to save Ala Mihgo by destroying it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    Let's be honest here: why do we need them to summon a God when you're basically a walking nuclear weapon already?
    I basically imagine that sometime around 3.5 we'll get a message from Mask and Shorty that the stupid resistance has summoned Rhalgr against their advice and now he's going on a rampage. That way when we do get to the city we can fight tempered Ala Mhigans, the Garlean occupiers, and big papa Rhalgr himself. Maybe we'll have some Ascian or Garlean adviser (Midgardsormr style) with us laughing in our ear and saying stuff like "lol witness the true form of your gods jerk."

    Alternatively, Warring Triad is gonna mess something up really bad and lead us to Meracydia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    ...wait what? You going to save Ala Mihgo by destroying it?
    Lol, no. I just meant the reason why the Ala Mhigan refugees are the way they are is because Ala Mhigo still exists and that hope drives them to do what they do. When that hope is lost (like when Doma was destroyed) what's left to fight for?

    With no more Ala Mhigo to liberate since it's just ashes they'll essentially be like the Domans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    Lol, no. I just meant the reason why the Ala Mhigan refugees are the way they are is because Ala Mhigo still exists and that hope drives them to do what they do. When that hope is lost (like when Doma was destroyed) what's left to fight for?

    With no more Ala Mhigo to liberate since it's just ashes they'll essentially be like the Domans.
    Be like the Domans? You mean productive and industrious, eager to actually work and build up a new City-State?
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