The new raiding meta is making me want to quit.

[Jamein]

If people can kill a boss by ignoring mechanics, then the boss is undertuned and should be readjusted. Maybe that's the underlying problem to the raids in this game - that the bosses need to do more damage, have more health, just be more difficult overall. It really should not be possible to rush down a boss before you severely outgear it.

That's how things used to be, T9 was, and still is the greatest raid in this game in my opinion and one that was the most fun (t5 being a close second). It did everything right. But people complained about the instawipe mechanics and that it was overall too hard to do in PF/DF so here we are with Alex Savage.

tl;dr People cried about mechanics, they got damage/DPS checks, now people don't like damage/dps checks so I think the next solution will be to nerf steps of faith.

I've been farming A4S for a while now(switched from my pld to war just for it, since my co-tank is drk). I would welcome the reduction of focus on tank and healers dps though. Or at the very least make turtle tank an option, not a downgrade. I keep playing as a glorified dps now but i do not like it. Do not assume that everyone who does not like to dps are bad at the game.

Lets face it though, how boring would tanking be without the DPS in this game. I used to main paladin back through BCOB/SCOB/FCOB and it was a snoozefest and I switched to monk in HW for that reason. Even started doing T13 with no HUD just because it wasn't needed I was on auto pilot for 99% of it. Threat generation was easy and defensive cooldowns came down to a rotation anyway based on tank buster timings so there was no challenge.

[Wizhard]

Lets face it though, how boring would tanking be without the DPS in this game. I used to main paladin back through FCOB/SCOB/FCOB and it was a snoozefest and I switched to monk in HW for that reason. Even started doing T13 with no HUD just because it wasn't needed I was on auto pilot for 99% of it. Threat generation was easy and defensive cooldowns came down to a rotation anyway based on tank buster timings so there was no challenge.

I liked it. /shrug
My power fantasy is not doing a lot of damage but being an immovable wall and i cant play out that fantasy anymore, thus my desire to play the game goes down. But i guess the current meta attracted other type of "tanks" to the job, those who like to be the "important" blue dps. Those people dont actually like playing tanks, they like to dps while pretending to be a tank and will probably drop the job if SE nerfs tank damage in 3.2.

[Jamein]

I liked it. /shrug
My power fantasy is not doing a lot of damage but being an immovable wall and i cant play out that fantasy anymore, thus my desire to play the game goes down. But i guess the current meta attracted other type of "tanks" to the job, those who like to be the "important" blue dps. Those people dont actually like playing tanks, they like to dps while pretending to be a tank and will probably drop the job if SE nerfs tank damage in 3.2.

I've tanked in every single MMO I have ever played, I love tanking. FF killed it for me because as a tank it wasn't very engaging and compared to other MMO's it offered no challenge in terms of the actual tanking. Playing a Prot warrior back in WOTLK WoW was immense fun and I loved it and it was engaging, tanking in FF before the addition of more DPS skills in heavensward was dull and had an extremely low skillcap.

[Seoulstar]

OP tl;dr "I miss when tanks and healers who are rubbish could still complete hardcore content."

Or they just simply want to do the traditional role and not be a secondary DPS. But of course, there is always someone who will be a jerk about it.

[Madruck]

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It's not about trying to get rid of DPSing tanks, its about these loser elitist who will drive you away from content unless your are geared the way they want you to be geared. If you want to gear in STR as I have as well, then so be it. But that practically makes all fending accessories useless in general for the game. Tanks are there to hold hate, but if you find yourself with that one player who wants to do a 10 minute Arbor.....they will either troll/insult/disrespect you since you are not geared or playing the way they think you should be playing. One way to prevent that from happening is to make the game more focused on core abilities of each job based on their roles. Now with HW, that line is extremely convoluted in where when Alex Savage first came out, Pally's and Astros were being excluded from content since they were not able to meet dps needed for those events.....that is a really poorly designed and flawed system in which they will need to either further balance jobs such as these or go back to more role oriented, in which the second option is the easiest and best optional way to fix this......

[Wizhard]

I've tanked in every single MMO I have ever played, I love tanking. FF killed it for me because as a tank it wasn't very engaging and compared to other MMO's it offered no challenge in terms of the actual tanking. Playing a Prot warrior back in WOTLK WoW was immense fun and I loved it and it was engaging, tanking in FF before the addition of more DPS skills in heavensward was dull and had an extremely low skillcap.

I have played a myriad of mmos as a tank as well, and yes FF tanking was less exciting but i felt it gave me way more time to focus on calling out every single ability and, if possible, do every single mechanic so the dps doesnt have to.

[SargentToughie]

TL;DR: people suck

Yeah, I agree with you. It's pretty terrible that people do that. However, vote kick and reporting are both tools that SE has given us to deal with these kinds of players. I said it yesterday over in my own thread, but the kinds of people who troll/insult/disrespect you for not dealing damage as a healer, or not doing as much as you can as a tank, are the kinds of people that will always find an excuse to grief people until they get their way. They litter online games, they're a pestilence, and unfortunately, there's really not too much we can do about them.

Alternatively, just run with friends? That's pretty much what I do because I'm not a fan of duty finder in general, but it's not like I take it out on other people. These days, I almost exclusively play with friends of mine from my static, the only exception being for Void Arc, which... well... that's got it's own problems.

[Brian_]

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This makes no sense.

You're getting mad that people are correctly criticizing someone for not gearing their character properly?

Here is a reality check for you -- It doesn't matter what the meta is. There will be an efficient way to gear and play your class and people will still criticize you when you deviate from that standard in favor of a less optimized alternative. The only way to remedy the consequence of choices is to remove said choices so that people cannot make an incorrect decision. That's why we have no skill trees.

To be honest, I like doing my research and learning my class. That's a key part of the MMO experience. I don't want them to further dumb the game down.

[Warlyx]

I see a lot of people say "well tanking should be about tanking." Okay. So, how do you go about doing that while maintaining the degree of difficulty in tanking across all levels? For as long as people have complained, nobody has ever provided an even remotely plausible solution to that problem.

Criticism without a solution is criticism without substance.

Active mitigation , in other games is used and its awesome , WAR is kinda already there with inner beast , the rotation of tanks isnt about dps is about mitigating MORE while doing damage...but u wont see combos ending in dots or just raw dmg , the ending combos end with stoneskin effects , blocks , healing , hp drains (lifetaps ) , or more dodge/parry/ for a few seconds.... hell u could give paladin active blocks too , press this button to block all the attacks (front) , drain MP every second...and move at 50% speed.

Feeling like u have some control on your own mititigation outside huge CDs is what makes tanks fun in other games , because using X cd on Y boss ability isnt exciting nor fun...

[Madruck]

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I am not getting angry since I know how to play the 5 jobs I focus on very well and also being in one of the most amazing FC's on my server. But as per you comment, why does not being geared efficiently according to you effect the majority of the players base? (casuals and Midcore) Most of these players will never take a step into Savage, does that give you or anyone including me the right to disrespect/troll/insult them just because they play the game the way they want to play? How does that not make sense to you? And sorry to burst your bubble but doing research and mastering your job is not the key to a MMO experience, its the Social aspect of the game that makes it into a Massively Multiplayer Online Game. If you need to play something that is about playing the perfect game or min/maxing your toon, single player games like Dark Souls is out there for you to play....not MMO's!