Please remove gathering from easy and Normal Diadem

[TThibi]

As I type I am in a diadem party with one person who just wants to mine, one person who just wants to fish, one person dc'd soon after flying and hasn't come back there's 33 mins left on the clock, the rest of the party is wavering on giving up farming chests and going to mine or harvest and we can't get anything to drop. Even with 3-4 other parties super killing everything that pops. The gatherers don't want to farm but they want to lot on drops from NM's they did not participate in killing. Based on the way loot drops are set in here this is poison for a group that cannot kick or replace members. I joined the random group queu because I want to farm after work not sit here powerless while 2-3 people ruin the only activity I have time to do tonight.

I could run with my FC if I was willing to stop going to work and make that stuff SElikes me to pay every month called money. I see what SE envisioned, they wanted everyone to be included but we've proven 2 weeks in why we can't have nice things, because people are not responsible or respectful with or of other people's time. There are more effective places to get hardsilver, titanium, and Mythrite ore, the other ore is not even useful in anything that i've seen. The same fish in here can be caught outside safer, the chests they gather are not frequent enough to warrant wasting the time on them.

Do what people thought the system was in the first place, make mining and harvesting nodes appear only when monsters are actively being killed by the person's party and only in area's not accessable by the random party queu. Yes a million posts exist already about this gives you an idea it needs to be fixed doesn't it?

[SonKevin]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

[Ultima]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

That is uncalled for and extremely rude, people are allowed to discuss and offer their opinion on an issue. Diadem is really poor design and it needs to be addressed somehow.

[Jinxie]

I disagree, gatherers have just as much right to be there as you do. Perhaps not rolling on loot, though I'd argue that you guys take loot from my gathering chests so I should get at least a little of your battling loot. But regardless of that, a gatherer has every right to be there just as you do. If you dont want that to happen, make premade groups.

[Zeonx]

That is uncalled for and extremely rude, people are allowed to discuss and offer their opinion on an issue. Diadem is really poor design and it needs to be addressed somehow.

I don't understand they gave their opinion on the issue and yeah they are right people need to stop attacking content that just rolled out.

Trying to turn the run into what they want and whats good for them and not for others and exclude people out, this isn't what this was made for its for all.

Rude or not I see a lot of threads trying to change content to favor people who don't want others to play, only play the way they play and that is total crap sorry.

[TThibi]

Except i'm not there for your gathering loot, nor do I want it, or have interest in it I am a gatherer too and harvest or mine only to complete objectives, or when a party breaks due to too many gathering, dc's, or not enough people in zone to farm effectively as has happened 4 nights this week. I'm there for loot to trade in for tokens or for a random chance at a piece of 210 armor I can use. Premades are not a solution 2 of the failed groups were premade it doesn't guarantee success.

When you run off and do whatever you want and leave the rest of the party in a lurch you cost us time we could be using more effectively, drops we can't pull enough damage to get the nice shinies we all want, and though your random chests may be contributing to you, in the time you farmed that junk box, we could have brought in 15 or more loot boxes with your dps or more commonly healing magic, gatherers love to queu in as healers then skylark around leaving one person to handle the group. When you queu up you're on the clock it's not your time anymore it's 7 other people's time you can gather when the party breaks, when the farming is over, or when your actions no longer affect others directly. I have enough self control to give that courtesy it's not hard to do nor is it an imposition. Don't play victim i'm not in the mood to humor you.

You're there to perform a task not run off and punish others for having the misfortune to meet you. I suggest if you want to gather you form a party specifically to gather. ^^

[Dualblade]

If you entered via the DF your party has no set objective (beyond the intial ones that don't even have to all be completed on easy atleast) for the Diadem. While I agree on the whole "if you are only gathering you shouldn't be able to roll on the fighter's chest drops" thing, it isn't the ONLY reason people go to the place.

As well, the argument can also be made that if you want to fight and have a party that only fights (and only gathers enough for the objectives), then you can make a PF of your own.

[FoxyAreku]

Every single one of these threads I see can be solved by not going to diadem in the duty finder.

It's horrible in duty finder and you can't even need on 210 gear in that version. Make a party finder premade and set ground rules before you go in, problem solved.

[Zumi]

The solution is to make a PF group of people who have a similar objective in mind in your case farm gear and not gather.

[SinisterJointss]

I dont understand the logic of some of these threads. OMG I USED DF AND SOMEONE DIDNT WANT TO PLAY THE WAY I WANT!! This is what I read every time.

Form up a premade group and put in the description NO GATHERERS -- it really is that simple.