When will you really address the housing availability problem?

[SonKevin]

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Ex primal mats - Required a team.
Coil mats - Required a team.
Treasure maps - Need a gather to get the maps unless you're spending money to buy them which in some cases you would just lose more money than you got.
Content sales - Usually supplemented by RMTs also required a team.
Daily/Weekly challenges - That's not a lot gil and especially not enough for the millions you need.
Retainer Ventures - You'd have to get super freaking lucky to consistently find mats that would get you the millions you need instead of the standard fish they bring back.
Playing the marketboard - Maybe, but without a good supply I can't see how you can play the marketboard without your own injections.
Spiritbonding / Materia sales - You'd have to keep buying the gear to spiritbond with and hope that the money you spent on the gear was less than the materia you got.

I took out the others because they didn't exist prior to our current problem so I can't comment on them today. These were the only way to get money before Heavensward when all the houses became sold out.

[raymon]

personally i think SE is far too deep into the current situation that its nearly unfix-able at this point. most likely they will just add more housing wards which will be taken up and then we will see another thread complaining about no housing space.

PS: i really do hate this situation i want a house but cannot afford the hyper-inflated prices it costs to get it from somebody or FC.

[Colorful]

Ex primal mats - Required a team.
Coil mats - Required a team.
Treasure maps - Need a gather to get the maps unless you're spending money to buy them which in some cases you would just lose more money than you got.
Content sales - Usually supplemented by RMTs also required a team.
Daily/Weekly challenges - That's not a lot gil and especially not enough for the millions you need.
Retainer Ventures - You'd have to get super freaking lucky to consistently find mats that would get you the millions you need instead of the standard fish they bring back.
Playing the marketboard - Maybe, but without a good supply I can't see how you can play the marketboard without your own injections.
Spiritbonding / Materia sales - You'd have to keep buying the gear to spiritbond with and hope that the money you spent on the gear was less than the materia you got.

I took out the others because they didn't exist prior to our current problem so I can't comment on them today. These were the only way to get money before Heavensward when all the houses became sold out.

What's your point with content requiring a team? Did you post not state any method with a crafter or gatherer class? But it does depend on the house size, for a small, unless you're the most unbelievably lazy player there is, 6 million gil in easy to make, even without crafters or gatherers. I've made just about 1.6 million through Diadem since release, and I do it maybe once or twice every 2-3 days and sell the mats. Now, I've heard on other servers the mats go for 100k-200k+ while on Tonberry it's a rather small 30-70k, so if you're on another server you could double, or even triple that number. Near the release of Heavensward I farmed the dragon materials, dragon skins, dragon blood, etc. In an hour I was making 150+ depending on how much RNG decided to love/hate me.

If you did it casually, you could easily afford the money to buy a small house, no questions asked. Now a medium+? Well, unless you have a raid group selling clears or are a very dedicated grinder, it's going to be tough.

Edit: looks like I forgot to read your last point, but toadskins are still a viable beginner way to make gil, and I'd have to assume that pre-HW they were far more valuable along with other materials.

[Atoli]

Truthfully they should have coupled this with not allowing personal houses no more. So FCs can get a dam house and an airship and stables for their FC members.

Well, ORIGINALLY, FC housing and player housing were supposed to be seperate anyway. I don't understand why they don't go that way at least now, when like 5 new threads about the lack of available housing springs up everyday =_=
Make player housing instanced, as a new, seperate system. People who already own a personal house right now get transfered over into the instanced system for free, others still need to pay Gil to get their house but if they have the money, there is no limit to the houses they can have, basically like the FC rooms are now, just with a garden and house exterior too in each instance.
Leave the current system of neighborhood housing in (but with a few more wards) ONLY for FC houses. Problem fixed.

[Gyson]

They would have to make it a player hosted instance. There's no way in hell they are going to have servers capable of supporting that many houses even small ones. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it. They just wont admitt it.

I don't know if I buy that. SE came out with an expansion which added ~10 zones (which were also doubled as instances back at the start). Now, I'm assuming this was possible as a result of upgrading their hardware. And keep in mind that these zones are hosting FATEs, mob activity, resource nodes, player activity, etc.. far more demanding than your average neighborhood. And yet they managed to do it "somehow" - seems like when there's a will there's a way.

So, I don't think it's an issue of not being capable of adding more neighborhood and housing interior instances.. if anything it seems like it would be far less demanding on the servers than adding something like the Diadem. It seems more likely that (to SE) it's just not worth the effort of throwing the necessary support behind the housing availability problem.

[Vandril]

Playing the marketboard - Maybe, but without a good supply I can't see how you can play the marketboard without your own injections.

I literally solo-funded my FC's entire large house, permit, walls & paints and such, and some furnishing - some 55 million or so gil in total - from selling vendor gear on the markets. Yes, I have crafting, but I didn't even need to use it to make this huge profit. And it took me only a little under a month. Granted, that was right after expansion release, and I was selling HW vendor stuff to people who didn't yet have HW (or who didn't do their vendor research), so it's not always so easy to get that kind of fortune so quickly...

But the point is that it is doable. Non-crafters just need to look for opportunities. Playing the market is a lot more than just manipulating the market. Playing the market is finding opportunities and making them your gain. Market opportunities appear naturally due to the nature of supply, demand, and disparity of item knowledge.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[Mycow8me]

The data for those zones requires hardly any storage, imagine 50+ or even 100+ just small houses crammed into a zone and the sheer amount of stored data it takes. If it wasnt much, SE would have created larger instances with much more houses already. No one knows the numbers but server populations are numbers we CAN look at. If you think it will be possible on a legacy server without transfers away from... not very likely at all. Thats just considering one server.

[raymon]

i recall they said they cant do instances housing because they way instances work wont allow it. (they don't save the data that happens inside it)

[Sherufanir]

To address this fully, they'd need to overhaul the instance servers entirely and tack on a lot more. As a player on Balmung, at peak times, we can have our FC ramming their heads into door, then at the workshop, just trying to get an available instance server. This has happened more than a handful of times.

I imagine all the houses, free company rooms, workshops, etc all will load up an instance server in an available slot. You can have all these homes, rooms, workshops, etc all exist as data but you can't always load into them.

In the end this isn't simply a matter of just adding wards that easily. It's a quite expensive and cost increasing measure I'd imagine to handle a fraction of total rooms/homes available. So they're probably trying to free up as many as possible before investing in this.

[Chasely]

their servers are antiquated. Yoshi-P said updating the servers was his very last resort. Instead, he's trying to maximize what he can get out of the ancient ones we're currently using.