Please let us kick people in the Diadem

[Avidria]

My boyfriend joined a Diadem run through DF yesterday. He helped everyone attune and then started to gather and got crap for it as soon as he started. He queued as DPS too, so nobody was forced to switch classes or anything. He also spawned multiple chests and the rest of the party got the loot but apparently he should have DPS'd and gathering isn't allowed

Just an example of why I can see this being majorly abused. People would kick just out of spite.

There needs to be some sort of middle ground here. People either not contributing or just being jerks in general has been a problem in a few of my groups. Had one summoner who kept running off and pulling adds, dying alone and then complaining when he didn't get a raise. We had a healer who was dpsing while our tank was dying because of those extra adds, on top of a dragoon who straight up bailed less than 5 minutes in (with no way to replace him) all in one run. We missed out on credit for 3 star ranks. It's frustrating.

[AaronJaeger]

Sounds like people wouldn't have a hard time claiming if only everyone didn't pile on the same island killing the same monsters.....
oh wait
that's not really what you're supposed to be doing anyway.

have you tried killing star ranked monsters with 8 people?

[Zephrey]

I think ultimately each enemy needs to be treated like a mini-fate. If you do not participate, even if you have a party you get zero credit. Solves the people gathering and it also clears up the issue with those who just refuse to help.

The only problem with this is for some reason SE really fails the mark with healers, even in hunts if you don't tag the mob you don't get credit. If you died before it's dead, you lose credit. If you forget to hit the mob again before you're dead, you'd lose credit. This would go for like, any DPS for that matter as well.

[Synestra]

Just go with your FC, and if you dont have one then get one. Its not hard.. DF is never relyable with things like this.

This! I tryed DF once and will not do it ever again, pre-made Diadem HM is way to go if you want to enjoy this content at all. Also Dia HM has those rank 5 "birds" that are joke to kill while they have pretty decent chance of dropping gold chests so its win-win.

[Gaddes]

Honestly if they were going to do something that allowed gatherers they should've made two different kinds of Diadem, one for fighting, and one for gathering. I've been in several situations where 3 or more people insisted on gathering and refused to help DPS, and without at least 6 people DPSing we couldn't get enough hate/credit on the enemies to make them pop chests. So because of three gatherers, everyone else is left to sit on their hands and/or quit, and then we get a lovely 2 hour cooldown because of someone else's selfishness.

[Youkulm]

Honestly if they were going to do something that allowed gatherers they should've made two different kinds of Diadem, one for fighting, and one for gathering. I've been in several situations where 3 or more people insisted on gathering and refused to help DPS, and without at least 6 people DPSing we couldn't get enough hate/credit on the enemies to make them pop chests. So because of three gatherers, everyone else is left to sit on their hands and/or quit, and then we get a lovely 2 hour cooldown because of someone else's selfishness.

Selfish because we don't want to play the game the same way you do? Don't run DF. Run PF if you don't want to take the chance of running into people who don't want to play the same way as you. It goes both ways.

[Jynx]

Honestly if they were going to do something that allowed gatherers they should've made two different kinds of Diadem, one for fighting, and one for gathering. I've been in several situations where 3 or more people insisted on gathering and refused to help DPS, and without at least 6 people DPSing we couldn't get enough hate/credit on the enemies to make them pop chests. So because of three gatherers, everyone else is left to sit on their hands and/or quit, and then we get a lovely 2 hour cooldown because of someone else's selfishness.

You do know it's possible to farm on other islands and get your own claims. No worry about credit when you claim.

[AaronJaeger]

You do know it's possible to farm on other islands and get your own claims. No worry about credit when you claim.

possible but a lot longer, Diadem wasn't made for 8 people, especially with star ranked.

[Gaddes]

Selfish because we don't want to play the game the same way you do? Don't run DF. Run PF if you don't want to take the chance of running into people who don't want to play the same way as you. It goes both ways.

Yeah, it does go both ways, meaning you're just as selfish. A gatherer in the current situation has both the option of gathering or fighting. Someone without that leveled class is stuck in that situation unable to get any gold chests. If they're going to have this thing DF-able and over half the party are gatherers, then they should at least allow the non-gatherers (those who haven't gathered a single item) to leave the instance with either no or reduced cooldown penalty so they can try again. That won't impact the gatherers since they can still gather to their hearts' content, and it helps the non-gatherers get another shot at a group that is comprised of fighters.

And the "run PF" excuse is getting old. Forming a PF doesn't ensure you'll actually get a party... saw (and tried) several groups yesterday sitting in PF for close to an hour apiece and then giving up. If this is something you can DF, then it needs to function fairly for all.

[Garotte14]

And the "run PF" excuse is getting old. Forming a PF doesn't ensure you'll actually get a party... saw (and tried) several groups yesterday sitting in PF for close to an hour apiece and then giving up. If this is something you can DF, then it needs to function fairly for all.

If they added an option to vote kick ppl in Diadem, you can bet you'll be able to fill a gathering pf up really quickly. You know why? Because you'll never last 5 minutes gathering in DF before you get booted. I gladly welcome that. You can't fill a pf up now because there is no punishment if you decide to screw your party and gather + roll on all the loot. You can tell everyone that is against having a vote kick option are the ones that know what they are doing is selfish and wrong. If it honestly went both ways, the ppl that joined DF to kill mobs would also be against a vote kick. But they're not