HQing stuff

[Ksenia]

I'm level 60 in this set but HQ and I still can't do HQ above 51 without RnG.

It's pure gear check now and we are under geared by design. It's why mandatory penta melding and 30 step rotations is the 60 solution.

Not to sound super negative (though it's hard) but leveling is actually pretty easy. Most go the way of leve the same as pre 50 but the leveling is in collectibles crafting. If you look at the amount needed for turn in on the quality bar, consider the exper you get just for turning it in, you will see you can get between 60 and 150K plus the 20K you get for making it, on an item you only got true 40% of the quality bar on. 1600 out of 3800 for a 51 I believe? It might sound strange but I actually grew numb to the fail. It seems to be what they want us to do.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I'm level 60 in this set but HQ and I still can't do HQ above 51 without RnG.

It's pure gear check now and we are under geared by design. It's why mandatory penta melding and 30 step rotations is the 60 solution.

Not to sound super negative (though it's hard) but leveling is actually pretty easy. Most go the way of leve the same as pre 50 but the leveling is in collectibles crafting. If you look at the amount needed for turn in on the quality bar, consider the exper you get just for turning it in, you will see you can get between 60 and 150K plus the 20K you get for making it, on an item you only got true 40% of the quality bar on. 1600 out of 3800 for a 51 I believe? It might sound strange but I actually grew numb to the fail. It seems to be what they want us to do.

Sorry, but the way you put it somehow makes me very uncomfortable. I am guessing you're an all-60 by now, and you've been crafting for quite awhile, and yet with HQ level 60 gear you still can't securely HQ a level 51 gear without RNG? Clearly, you're doing something wrong. I would recommend you to learn a bit more. But of course you don't have to. And that's OK. No one says everybody needs to be good at crafting. You can be a casual crafter, and that's totally cool. But you cannot make a comment like "It's pure gear check now and we are under geared by design. It's why mandatory penta melding and 30 step rotations is the solution" Sorry, but that's just absolute BS! If you can't even HQ lvl 51 recipes at level 60, then it doesn't matter how easy or how hard it is to level anyway. It makes no difference to you. But just because it makes no difference to you doesn't mean it makes no difference to others. If you know how to utilize your CP, you can HQ things even when you're undergeared. Of course, if you're undergeared, it will depend on RNG a lot. But using HQ level 60 gear is far from undergeared even without any melds. You should not be using even use a single Hasty Touch on any recipe below level 54. And so it should be 100% RNG-free.

Sorry to be sensitive here, but what you said there was EVERYTHING opposite to what I have been teaching my students... I do not wish that concept of yours to spread at all.

[Ksenia]

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My problem isn't that I don't know what I'm doing. My problem is, I know exactly what I'm doing. I was making Basi Whetstones 2 nights ago. I made 30. Couldn't fail them if I wanted to. They could and did hit me with 4 poor conditions on Adv T 3 out of 4 time. I made 30 Basi. I got 50 Good Proc. 4 were useful. The other 46 were there to heckle my rotation.

IQ
SH II
GS
Innovation
Adv T
GS
Adv T
SH II
BB
SC II

46 of 50 Goods, inert.
3 of 4 Excellent, Detrimental.

Crafting in this game is designed to bust your balls.

Spent an hr and a half making all my own parts for a set of 58 Healing gloves. HQ as many parts as I can (sound familiar OP?)
5 times I made parts before the Gloves HQ'ed.

The crafting is for Macro builders and bot gatherers. If you enjoy it, glad to hear it. I don't.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

My problem isn't that I don't know what I'm doing. My problem is, I know exactly what I'm doing. I was making Basi Whetstones 2 nights ago. I made 30. Couldn't fail them if I wanted to. They could and did hit me with 4 poor conditions on Adv T 3 out of 4 time. I made 30 Basi. I got 50 Good Proc. 4 were useful. The other 46 were there to heckle my rotation.

IQ
SH II
GS
Innovation
Adv T
GS
Adv T
SH II
BB
SC II

46 of 50 Goods, inert.
3 of 4 Excellent, Detrimental.

Crafting in this game is designed to bust your balls.

Spent an hr and a half making all my own parts for a set of 58 Healing gloves. HQ as many parts as I can (sound familiar OP?)
5 times I made parts before the Gloves HQ'ed.

The crafting is for Macro builders and bot gatherers. If you enjoy it, glad to hear it. I don't.

Having 4 Poor conditions means you did have 4 Excellent conditions right before those Poors! If those Poors landed on your Adv Touches, that means the Excellents were landed on the Great Strides. That means you were NOT supposed to use Great Strides at all, but to use Adv Touch directly on the Excellent. Each Excellent provide 4x Quality. That's way more than a Great Strides can provide.

Similarly, if you're only able to make use of 4 Good procs out of 50, you're really not doing it right. Most crafters can make use of over 80% of the Good procs, either for more CP or to gain that 1.5 quality using a touch, or to use Precise Touch to gain that additional IQ stack.

You don't let luck to happen and wish those Good or Excellent land on your touches. You are supposed to modify your rotation according to when they proc! I strongly advice you to take a look at this thread:
http://ffxivrealm.com/threads/advice...he-spot.15347/

Btw, in your rotation up there,
(1) you did not add a GS before the Byregot. As a rule of thumb, GS is ALWAYS used with Byregot. If you lack CP, you would rather move one of your early GS to the back for the Byregot. You can get a lot more power that way.
(2) You'd rather have the Innovation covering your Byregot instead of the earlier touches, unless you have extra CP to spare.
(3) You only reached IQ3 when you used Byregot. Byregot's power on IQ3 is only 100% + 40% efficiency. That's lower than an Advanced Touch. You might as well use Advanced Touch instead of Byregot, unless you lack CP.
(4) You used SH II, but what you really needed was only SH. It could have saved a total of 6 CP.
And if you're lacking CP for any of the above, you should be using CZ on first step anyway.

It's OK not knowing what you're doing. But not knowing what you're doing while thinking you know it (and giving inaccurate advice to others) is rather dangerous. If someone who doesn't know how to control a train thinks she/he can do it, the result is a detrimental train-wreck. And advising others how to wreck a train doesn't mean trains were designed to be wrecked.

[Katlyna]

My problem isn't that I don't know what I'm doing. My problem is, I know exactly what I'm doing. I was making Basi Whetstones 2 nights ago. I made 30. Couldn't fail them if I wanted to. They could and did hit me with 4 poor conditions on Adv T 3 out of 4 time. I made 30 Basi. I got 50 Good Proc. 4 were useful. The other 46 were there to heckle my rotation.

Oh haha yes now I know why you made your funny comment Ksenia!!! You are 100% right a lazy macro can indeed still NQ something which you would have HQed manually. Poor condition for the loss!!! </3

[MN_14]

My problem isn't that I don't know what I'm doing. My problem is, I know exactly what I'm doing. I was making Basi Whetstones 2 nights ago. I made 30. Couldn't fail them if I wanted to. They could and did hit me with 4 poor conditions on Adv T 3 out of 4 time. I made 30 Basi. I got 50 Good Proc. 4 were useful. The other 46 were there to heckle my rotation.

IQ
SH II
GS
Innovation
Adv T
GS
Adv T
SH II
BB
SC II

46 of 50 Goods, inert.
3 of 4 Excellent, Detrimental.

Crafting in this game is designed to bust your balls.

Spent an hr and a half making all my own parts for a set of 58 Healing gloves. HQ as many parts as I can (sound familiar OP?)
5 times I made parts before the Gloves HQ'ed.

The crafting is for Macro builders and bot gatherers. If you enjoy it, glad to hear it. I don't.

From your description, it seems like you're ignoring the procs when they appear. Your effectiveness as a crafter depends entirely on how you respond to those good or excellent procs. I also think it's best to stay away from following a rotation blindly. For low level items like basilisk whetstones, you should be able to HQ them by spamming SH, GS, and AT until quality is at 100% and then finishing with CS2. You shouldn't need inner quiet, byregot's blessing or even innovation.

This is the general methodology I use when I craft the current end game 2* recipes (same general steps can apply to all crafts):

1. Figure out beforehand a general method for progress (subject to change during the craft)
2. Figure out beforehand a general type of Byregot's finisher (also subject to change during the craft)
3. Do whatever it takes to build up the highest possible number of inner quiet stacks.

There isn't a fixed rotation that I follow because what I choose to do depends entirely on the procs that appear (both number and timing). My vanilla rotation has 11 touch attempts, but I rarely use 11 touches unless I choose to spend my excess CP on precise touch only. This is because my general rotation can be easily modified to 12-14 touch attempts depending on how many good/procs appear.

The largest number of touches isn't even necessarily the best approach either. For example, 14 hasty touches is statistically superior to 1 precise touch and 11 hasty touches. However, 2 precise touches and 10 hasty touches is far superior to 14 hasty touches. If you consider all of these factors, you'll blow through any of the recipes that have been released in HW so far.

[cgbspender]

From your description, it seems like you're ignoring the procs when they appear. [...]

This is the general methodology I use when I craft the current end game 2* recipes (same general steps can apply to all crafts)

He did mention he is 60 and can't HQ level 51 recipes. You don't even need to take the procs into consideration for anything below 1-star with a good rotation, for which he can find perfect guides by Caimie, Rath and a few other craft-masters.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I'm level 60 in this set but HQ and I still can't do HQ above 51 without RnG.

It's pure gear check now and we are under geared by design. It's why mandatory penta melding and 30 step rotations is the 60 solution.

Not to sound super negative (though it's hard) but leveling is actually pretty easy. Most go the way of leve the same as pre 50 but the leveling is in collectibles crafting. If you look at the amount needed for turn in on the quality bar, consider the exper you get just for turning it in, you will see you can get between 60 and 150K plus the 20K you get for making it, on an item you only got true 40% of the quality bar on. 1600 out of 3800 for a 51 I believe? It might sound strange but I actually grew numb to the fail. It seems to be what they want us to do.

Just in case you really want to learn, here's a method for a level 60 to very quickly push quality on a level 51 to 53 recipe:
CZ
IQ
GS
SH
Innov
Adv T
GS
Adv T
GS
SH
Innov
Adv T
GS
Byregot
CS II x3 or x4

If you don't have enough CP, you can use Standard Touch instead for the first 2 touches.

Good luck to you too.