Punish DOL and Afker's in Diadem

[Kurogaea]

If you wanna do Gathering runs, please be courteous and do a PF. Likewise, people who want to garuntee pure war-classes should do PF, but I believe going into DF and not asking 'is it cool if I can go gather' is an extreme sign of disrespect towards the other 7 people in your party.

Umm, how about players wanting to do nothing but fight mobs in one area like a bunch of savages hunting like their lives depend on it use the party finder. Its like being set out on a trip, everyone goes to the same resort. Some people stick together while others do there own thing. If you were in charge of this resort trip you'd make rules, but if your not then your along the ride like everyone else, you have no control other than yourself.

I went to Diadem at least 30 times now and out of 5 runs I stayed on Dino Island and kiled monsters over, and over, and over...and I was friggen bored. Its like mixing fates with hunts and its a damn nightmare, so I see a bunch of people gathering and stuff and I split off from the group and do the same. Its more challenging than fighting a bunch of monsters 72 to 1-6 (savages) mainly since you have to sneak by most enemies to get the node and stealth does not work for some reason. Not to mention Steel Sky Pirate Spoils for those items. Besides there's plenty of other ways to get gear in this game right now and at the pace that its going you don't really need 210 gear right away.

So if your that majority that wants your 210 gear NOW then use pf and state specific rules for entire mob fighting groups. the terms of service would be your friend for that matter.

Oh, and I'm all up for DoL not being able to roll on loot obtained by battle classes though. Just not the gatherers problem if you don't get anything, free mode. :/

[Evumeimei]

Umm, how about players wanting to do nothing but fight mobs in one area like a bunch of savages hunting like their lives depend on it use the party finder.

I'd say if you're using DF then you should follow the majority vote of your current party. Also, nothing is really stopping DoL from gathering every now and then, but they should help out their party if they need it and not roll on loot they didn't contribute towards.

Note that your argument regarding DoW/DoM using PF if they just want to grind is EXACTLY the same argument that can be used for DoL who go into the Diadem to gather. It doesn't matter what your goal is... If you can't accept other people's goals (gathering vs. combat or vice versa), then make a PF specifying what you want.

[Kurogaea]

I'd say if you're using DF then you should follow the majority vote of your current party. Also, nothing is really stopping DoL from gathering every now and then, but they should help out their party if they need it and not roll on loot they didn't contribute towards.

Note that your argument regarding DoW/DoM using PF if they just want to grind is EXACTLY the same argument that can be used for DoL who go into the Diadem to gather. It doesn't matter what your goal is... If you can't accept other people's goals (gathering vs. combat or vice versa), then make a PF specifying what you want.

Only problem with that is you cant do a thing to the gather in the df if they don't agree to the rest of the parties terms. They can vote all they want and I can just ignore them and continue gathering, they can even leave and I still wont be moved by it, I'd just have less players nagging me. If it was a party finder made party specialized in monster farming then I'd have no choice or I'd be considered griefing.

That's why it more important for those players to use pf. If your saying it'd be courteous for gatherers to use pf then that'd be true. I for one would help the party if they ask me to help during a star monster fight. I wouldn't even roll for 210 items, unless you ask like a complete @#$%head then I'm ignoring you and laughing my way to riches lol