Punish DOL and Afker's in Diadem

[Evumeimei]

Seems like the most simple fix is restricting loot rolling between DoL and DoW/DoM classes. Only DoL can roll on loot from gathering, whereas Dow/DoM are the only ones who can loot on drops from enemies. I agree that you should only be able to loot on enemy drops if you have participated in combat.

[Colorful]

Bronze DoL chests drop crystals and level 50 unspoiled items
Silver DoL chests drop crystals and 1 of those exact same 40-70k gil crafting materials you're talking about

Then I guess they're not frequent enough, you can get an average of 1+ of Bronze/Silver chests with a zerg party per minute (99% of parties these days). It's either they split the rewards so gatherers keep their loot, and battle classes keep their loot, make gathered items share between the party, increase the drop rate of hidden chests or have monsters drop things like skins which are unique to the individual.

As it stands right now, battle classes are able to get chests, while gatherers get chests that battle classes work for (let's face it, the majority of those chests come from battle) and their own loot.

[Kurogaea]

If you wanna do Gathering runs, please be courteous and do a PF. Likewise, people who want to garuntee pure war-classes should do PF, but I believe going into DF and not asking 'is it cool if I can go gather' is an extreme sign of disrespect towards the other 7 people in your party.

Umm, how about players wanting to do nothing but fight mobs in one area like a bunch of savages hunting like their lives depend on it use the party finder. Its like being set out on a trip, everyone goes to the same resort. Some people stick together while others do there own thing. If you were in charge of this resort trip you'd make rules, but if your not then your along the ride like everyone else, you have no control other than yourself.

I went to Diadem at least 30 times now and out of 5 runs I stayed on Dino Island and kiled monsters over, and over, and over...and I was friggen bored. Its like mixing fates with hunts and its a damn nightmare, so I see a bunch of people gathering and stuff and I split off from the group and do the same. Its more challenging than fighting a bunch of monsters 72 to 1-6 (savages) mainly since you have to sneak by most enemies to get the node and stealth does not work for some reason. Not to mention Steel Sky Pirate Spoils for those items. Besides there's plenty of other ways to get gear in this game right now and at the pace that its going you don't really need 210 gear right away.

So if your that majority that wants your 210 gear NOW then use pf and state specific rules for entire mob fighting groups. the terms of service would be your friend for that matter.

Oh, and I'm all up for DoL not being able to roll on loot obtained by battle classes though. Just not the gatherers problem if you don't get anything, free mode. :/

[Malzian]

This was meant for companies with airships. It was only made public for those in companies without houses who still want to reap the rewards for their company.

And this really gets to the heart of the issue and the 'real' fix for it... This is only an issue because SE screwed up company housing to begin with and hasn't offered a satisfactory fix yet. When they make it so every FC can have a house then they can make it FC-only, but until then they have to make it available to the DF to help out those of us unfortunate enough to not have gotten the FC house we wanted to get before this even was a problem. And before anyone goes on with the 'You think you should be able to access all the content because you pay a sub' rant, in this occasion (very much unlike raids) the reason that some people cannot access the content through the FC method is due to an explicit failure of the system on SE's end and not anyone that didn't 'get good' to do the content. It's a systemic issue, not a personal one.

[Evumeimei]

Umm, how about players wanting to do nothing but fight mobs in one area like a bunch of savages hunting like their lives depend on it use the party finder.

I'd say if you're using DF then you should follow the majority vote of your current party. Also, nothing is really stopping DoL from gathering every now and then, but they should help out their party if they need it and not roll on loot they didn't contribute towards.

Note that your argument regarding DoW/DoM using PF if they just want to grind is EXACTLY the same argument that can be used for DoL who go into the Diadem to gather. It doesn't matter what your goal is... If you can't accept other people's goals (gathering vs. combat or vice versa), then make a PF specifying what you want.

[StouterTaru]

As it stands right now, battle classes are able to get chests, while gatherers get chests that battle classes work for (let's face it, the majority of those chests come from battle) and their own loot.

I've yet to see a DoL get the items from a DoL chest when there was a DoW/DoM in the party.

[Moonleg]

DIADEM: Dino Island And Done, Easy Mode.

[Naliee]

Seems like the most simple fix is restricting loot rolling between DoL and DoW/DoM classes. Only DoL can roll on loot from gathering, whereas Dow/DoM are the only ones who can loot on drops from enemies. I agree that you should only be able to loot on enemy drops if you have participated in combat.

This would actually make sense. But AFKs still are some what problematic even if they get kicked after being afk 10mins that of course means they really ARE afk, no movement what so ever.

[Reaperking386]

*clap* I really applaud you to your ignorance. People like you are the reason that the Diadem is an absolute fail for many people.

Why? Well, going with only 2 people to gather (as is possible with the guild), you most of the time won't be even able to get the currents because STEALTH doesn't work.What other choice do gatherers have? I have no problem for not letting them roll on battle loot. However, people fighting should also not be able to roll on chests discovered by gatherers.

The idea that came with the diadem was excellent. Unfortunately it was executed extremely poorly:
- Do not make one spot farmable (loot exhaust comes to mind)
- Give gatherer's the chance to stand on their own (make stealth work)
- Auto-kick AFK-ers as it happens in dungeons
- Take out the constant re-attuning to the currents (once should be enough)
- implement loot restrictions (gatherers only gather loot, battle only battle loot)
- Lower the re-spawn rate
- Lower the mob HP in EASY mode (what is the sense of 2 people parties if they have no chance to live?)

Just my 2 cent

I am not saying gatherer's should not be allowed. I am simply stating "implement loot restrictions (gatherers only gather loot, battle only battle loot)". Because this eventually leads to hostility towards the DOL for rolling on loot they did not participate in helping leading to the group disbanding.

Ex: Recently had a person who wanted to just fish, but they wanted to roll on the loot as well. The group all of a sudden does a 180 and begins to verbally attack the DoL. They do this for 1 hour straight until the Dol begins to help at the end. I had no problem mostly because it is what it is and there is no point trying to verbally abuse someone that was just following a flawed system, but if the group disbanded I would have lost 2 hours of my time to farm. While sharing loot is not a huge issue with me; it is a issue enough to cause a DF group to disband just because one player or two wants to farm causing lost of time for the players who are here to farm the mobs.

[LaylaTsarra]

Gathering needs to be integrated in a way that in order to spawn the upper level hunts certain gathering goals need to be met. Stopping this mindless zerg fest by the loot/gear crowd needs to stop. That isn't what Diadem should be about, standing in the same spot for 90 minutes and killing wave after wave of adds in order to generate the most drops possible.