Block first timers from Party Finder!

[WinterLuna]

Though I do question, would this option encourage more practice groups to help those that haven't got the clear?

The amount of people who currently attempt to leech a clear from farm groups is insane. If people literally couldn't join those farm groups, specifically for experienced players, what would they do? They'd have to join, or create, a learning or clear party.

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

[MaeIsMean]

This option wold actually benefit new players a lot. Imagine how many more learning and clear parties would be up since people couldn't join farms for their clear?

If course experienced players can still join and help. I've been /telled a lot by players just asking for a hand with a primal and I've happily joined. This option benefits all players.

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

[Stupiduglytaru]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel this way, the anger people have isn't towards newbies in general.

Carrying newbs is just into relation to the new people that randomly join farm groups, these groups should only consist of experienced players that are capable of beating this content multiple times with hardly any wipes.

With mechanics that make use of all players, having someone knew that doesn't know what to do can result in wipe after wipe. A pf leader could spend an hour recruiting "farmers" which upon entering they find bonus reward, in most cases it will cause a few members to rage and effectively disband a whole group.

No one expects you to be a complete expert when your new, that's what learning parties are for.

[Azazua_azura]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn<snip rest>

I think your misunderstanding what is going on. I'm pretty new myself, but I'm not new to mmo to sneak my way into groups I'm not welcome to. All this option does is give players toolto encforce their party rules. As of right now pf is weak, players can set rules and not able to enforce it they are at the whims of random players. Not one person has lumped hate on any new players. You also may want to urbendictory search the term "carrying", and read the FULL sentence. Thing is though this option doesn't stop you from making your own party.

Point blank we need a more refined Party finder system with filters and options for all players to male the parties they want/need.

[Archaell]

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I wouldn't call it as much optimism as "I want the feature to be implemented". Overselling in such case is kinda expected.

Of course the player base is selfish and in my opinion most of the players aren't going to welcome others who performe worse (have less clears) than them in their groups. "I am at this level, so this level is minimum I expect in my group" mentality is real.

Alongside this feature there should also be rewards for doing duties with first timers - real rewards. Something like four times more loot etc. so that new players are always seeked to be part of groups.

[Naliee]

I think you're being overly optimistic in this. As a new player, it's painful to see how much hate you lump on us. How can I be expected to learn, when all the people that already know are jumping into the farm groups, because they're faster/easier/more likely to result in a win? When things are said like "I am personally DONE with carrying newbs" (Nailee) it makes me want to crawl in a hole and forget grouping outside of DF because, God forbid, I hurt someone's feelings for not being an expert.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my statement. I am done with carrying newbs who join to farm party when I am set to farming the content.

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing. Being a sneaky person and joining to farm party just makes me mad for wasting other people's time and I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around.

[MaeIsMean]

And like it was stated in many posts before, you can actually make PF yourself, make LS for training, ask FC or friends to help you with clearing.

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF. My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF. My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

I think your getting a little bit confused with the suggest, none of this applies to dungeon runs etc, the content we refer to that you actually need to learn phases. Having a newbie in Alex savage won't make the run longer, it will just flat out wipe the group.

These fights takes hours/days/weeks of training to beat.

[Ashkendor]

Yep, all those things could be done, and I'd have an LS full of people who don't know how to do anything or an empty PF.

You have countless video and text guides as a starting point. I mean, where do you think the guides come from? Players go in when the content is new, run it, figure out the mechanics, and eventually clear it. You don't have to know what's going on the first time you go into any given encounter in order to eventually clear it. Does it help? Sure, absolutely. It cuts out a lot of the trial and error when you aren't trying to figure out how everything works, but instead are trying to execute steps that someone else is walking you through.

My FC is very helpful, and I know that with time I can get the things done, so this isn't a thing I would personally do. I am in no hurry to jump in with a bunch of people who care more about clearing 5% faster than being patient with someone who may have done it a few times (or on another character) but still isn't great at it.

It's not a matter of clearing 5%, 10%, or even 20% faster. It's the difference between actually doing what the party was planning on (farming) and wiping to mechanics over and over because one person doesn't know how to do them. We're not talking about Neverreap or St. Mocianne's here. We're talking about content like Coils (even unsynced there's some things you can't ignore) and the recent EX primals and Alexander Savage where doing mechanics incorrectly spells death for you and quite possibly your entire raid.

I'm just trying to say, when you say things like "I might even start thinking bad of you as a person when you could be the coolest person to be around." you drive away future players that might have bothered to learn a fight enough to farm with you, because, frankly, that's a crappy attitude.

The fact of the matter is, when people lie to get into a party we do tend to think negatively of them as a direct result. Those people end up on my blacklist because I don't care to associate with them. That single act of deception shows blatant disregard for the other seven people in the party and what they're trying to accomplish. Basically, you're shitting all over them in some selfish fit of pique and saying, "I'm entitled to have a first clear because I pay $15/month and you're going to get it for me whether you like it or not."

Yeah, how about no.