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    Felmyst's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonleg View Post
    Felmyst, nothing is stopping the first timer from making a group in the Party Finder for a first-time clear. Please read and understand the thread, it might keep you entertained while you level.
    No, this is a matter of separating people. It does not mean if anyone did a kill they will be better. Some people are excellent at doing their homework and watching videos and study, or even have better dodge reflexes then anyone who done it.

    OP want to the option to put a barrier. Where in reality the problem lies into the community being honest to each other. Primals farming a thing everyone wishes to accomplish for the weapons, TT cards and ponies or whatever motive people have behind them. Farming is farming.

    Make social network, linkshells friends, contacts. Then go for the win with such pre made group. Party Finder is a community tool. I understand it's not perfect to everyone's eyes but blocking people from each other is a terrible idea.

    Nobody around one night? Tempt your luck with community and just hope people are honest. And besides if you know they are first timer. It is because you achieved the kill anyway and that they got their achievement appearing in chat log. So that is another BIG point.

    So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.
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    Last edited by Felmyst; 11-18-2015 at 04:18 PM.

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    Arch Idealist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felmyst View Post
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    Anybody who did the kill has improved from their state before they did the kill. It is safe to say that experienced players in general are more likely to be better.

    You can't really enforce honesty in a MMORPG game without barriers and penelaties when most of the players just care about themselves. Why do you think we have penalty for leaving duties? Because players are selfish.

    Just yesterday I saw a Thordan wipe party in PF. It was laughed at, as who would waste their time when they can snuck in a farm party for easy kill? Not having the barrier is actually making it harder to create learning parties, because the community is on individual level seeing them as ineffective for their time.

    You can be sure that unless players aren't allowed to do something, many are going to do it, because there is no real punishment on the Internet in a group of random people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felmyst View Post
    OP want to the option to put a barrier. Where in reality the problem lies into the community being honest to each other. Primals farming a thing everyone wishes to accomplish for the weapons, TT cards and ponies or whatever motive people have behind them. Farming is farming.
    Excatly, farming IS FARMING. Not the time to help newbs with their clears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felmyst View Post
    Make social network, linkshells friends, contacts. Then go for the win with such pre made group. Party Finder is a community tool. I understand it's not perfect to everyone's eyes but blocking people from each other is a terrible idea.

    Nobody around one night? Tempt your luck with community and just hope people are honest. And besides if you know they are first timer. It is because you achieved the kill anyway and that they got their achievement appearing in chat log. So that is another BIG point.

    So please understand other's point of view as well before being judge mental.
    Even new people can make friends, ask FC for help or make LS specificly for clearing/training content. I know because I was in few for coil and Bisex & Ravex.
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    Last edited by Naliee; 11-18-2015 at 09:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naliee View Post
    Even new people can make friends, ask FC for help or make LS specificly for clearing/training content. I know because I was in few for coil and Bisex & Ravex.
    Yes I never disagreed to this. In fact I am all for promoting the use of communication between players. If people would communicate more like it was the case back in early days of MMO's, it would eliminate half the complaining.

    But Party Finder should remain a tool for the community in general. The item level is already enough of a big setting that allows to weed out a good amount of players, like casual players who might not necessarily have the same item level. And even force some people to play on their right job where they can delivery their A game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felmyst View Post
    Yes I never disagreed to this. In fact I am all for promoting the use of communication between players. If people would communicate more like it was the case back in early days of MMO's, it would eliminate half the complaining.

    But Party Finder should remain a tool for the community in general. The item level is already enough of a big setting that allows to weed out a good amount of players, like casual players who might not necessarily have the same item level. And even force some people to play on their right job where they can delivery their A game.
    I wouldn't find sneaky newbs in my farm parties if just ilvl setting was enough, even casuals can get there(even if it takes them a bit longer).
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