How a Meridianum and Praetoreum run should be!

[Violyre]

On a side-note, I do believe that SE should split up these things. There are still a lot of minor CS that could be used to begin, and stick longer cutscenes at the ends. It would kill some immersion, yes (offhand thinking about the transitions at Nero > Gaius > Ultima Weapon x2 > Lahabrea) but there's no reason they couldn't show a cutscene as you leave, and then put you in a little room like they did for Ifrit and Garuda for setting purposes and put everything up until the transition to fight before it

Example meaning, after you beat Nero, you get his cutscene when you leave. It deposits you into a single room modeled after that room. You click the elevator outside of the instance, and maybe make the Gaius cutscene cut before he makes you that offer, and show that part at the start of the fight.

And for the love of the Twelve, make it four person.

[szalkerous]

The only players who consider it bad design are WoW player, as the game has next to no cs.

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Those who play FF11 or similar, are used to CS in dungeons, the CS take really no time to sit through, and are part of the dungeon. When you que up, you agree to do the dungeon.

And it is a bit annoying to speak on the behalf of others, speak only for yourself.

First off, I can tell you're one of the white knights that force the group to stop and wait for people to watch these in full... so everything I say will be ignored, because you want to impose communism on everyone else running the same dungeon... but I have nothing better to do during maintenance, so here goes:

The last 3 or 4 MMO's I've played, being Rift, GW2, Aion, DDO.... none of those contained massive cutscenes throughout the dungeons that doubled the run time. So I have no idea why you think that only WOW players find this completely unnecessary.

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[Iz_Lemon]

On a side-note, I do believe that SE should split up these things. There are still a lot of minor CS that could be used to begin, and stick longer cutscenes at the ends. It would kill some immersion, yes (offhand thinking about the transitions at Nero > Gaius > Ultima Weapon x2 > Lahabrea) but there's no reason they couldn't show a cutscene as you leave, and then put you in a little room like they did for Ifrit and Garuda for setting purposes and put everything up until the transition to fight before it

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And for the love of the Twelve, make it four person.

For what it's worth, everything you've said here is exactly what they've done for future content to prevent this from happening. It was a horrendously bad design decision in this sort of game, and this has been recognised by square enix.

In regards to your reply to my previous post, firstly, at any gear levels they would need a healer, they can't survive without one. Gear item levels don't trivialise boss encounters THAT much.

But yeah... I'm not saying people in your party were't rude to you either. It sounds like they were. Either side demanding things be done a certain way rather than having a civilised discussion is not on. For the record, the possibility of having to watch the cutscenes is why I don't set foot in main scenario roulette, and I think if you do, you should at the bare minimum be prepared to have a rational discussion about it. It's been so long since these players got to level 50 they forget that for most players this will be their very first exposure to the level 50 content.

[Violyre]

In regards to your reply to my previous post, firstly, at any gear levels they would need a healer, they can't survive without one. Gear item levels don't trivialise boss encounters THAT much.

I noted they hadn't picked up an incedinary yet, to note that we finished the first boss and they were on trash. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to them if they were actually at a boss.

And it kind of does trivialize boss fights. I've seen a SCH pre-Heavensward almost kill Nero solo. Sure, they had a personal healer, but they didn't have the same damage output as a group or the defense of a tank.

You say that as if people just don't leave them behind and do the duty without them. For that viewpoint to be "wrong," there sure is a lot of statistical data that says otherwise. To be honest, you sound entitled and wish to hold 7 people ransom because their goals and objectives don't mesh with your own. I know which of the 8 in the party is the selfish one for sure.

Here's a question though. To the best of my knowledge, four people spoke in total in my group. Myself, two players against me, and someone else that said to let me have the experience. If we add the other cutscene watcher, that's three people for watching, two against it, and three with no commentary. Who is the selfish one?

You may say "they kicked you with majority vote" to counteract my attempt to call the people telling me to skip were selfish. I retort with "how many times do people just click yes on any window that pops up?" I won't deny your possibility outright, but will only say some people don't even check who's being kicked.

Also, I don't feel I held them hostage. I told them to go ahead and kill while I watched.

[NovaLevossida]

Here's a question though. To the best of my knowledge, four people spoke in total in my group. Myself, two players against me, and someone else that said to let me have the experience. If we add the other cutscene watcher, that's three people for watching, two against it, and three with no commentary. Who is the selfish one?

You may say "they kicked you with majority vote" to counteract my attempt to call the people telling me to skip were selfish. I retort with "how many times do people just click yes on any window that pops up?" I won't deny your possibility outright, but will only say some people don't even check who's being kicked.

Also, I don't feel I held them hostage. I told them to go ahead and kill while I watched.

I'm of the opinion that group members should be okay doing what the majority of the group wants in such a situation. I have nothing against cutscene watchers myself, but it's extremely rare to see groups have a majority position in favor of the person wanting to watch them. If that's what the group wants to do, by all means, the dissenters should be cooperative. However, the CS watchers are almost always the minority.