Thordan ex sucks.

[Waliel]

i dunno if my static´s healers need to adapt, or had a bad day, but considering most of us being i200+ the damage we get is insane. the AoE´s the Phase2 Knights make oneshot us at some point, i don´t see this done by pugs anytime near.

I don't think there's any unavoidable raid damage that hits for over 10k unless you did something wrong.

[RiceisNice]

I don't think there's any unavoidable raid damage that hits for over 10k unless you did something wrong.

Skyward leap and spiral pierce (the tethered roflcopter) hits their targeted player for at least 10k without shields. It's a healing check that the healers need to heal instead of pushing their dps for that timeframe. I had to bash that into our healer's heads during our first few nights when we kept having people die to skyward leaps.

Like everyone has said though, most of OP's problems seem to be more on the community if he can't find anyone to do it with, rather than the fight itself (although the premise of alexander certainly didn't help with the mass exodus of players toward greg on most servers)

[Rikku1987]

I think its not even hard enough.
"Extreme", should be a challenge and not a catwalk.

Difficulty is okay, nothing to complain about.

[ExiaQuanta]

Yes SE how dare you not give us high lvl weapons at the click of a button. Howww daaaarree youuu

[hagare]

Skyward leap and spiral pierce (the tethered roflcopter) hits their targeted player for at least 10k without shields. It's a healing check that the healers need to heal instead of pushing their dps for that timeframe. I had to bash that into our healer's heads during our first few nights when we kept having people die to skyward leaps.

Like everyone has said though, most of OP's problems seem to be more on the community if he can't find anyone to do it with, rather than the fight itself (although the premise of alexander certainly didn't help with the mass exodus of players toward greg on most servers)

raid wide brah. those only hit the target for 10k though. The rest don't get hit that hard.

I don't think there's any unavoidable raid damage that hits for over 10k unless you did something wrong.

I think holiest is more than 10k, I might be wrong.

[RiceisNice]

raid wide brah. those only hit the target for 10k though. The rest don't get hit that hard.



I think holiest is more than 10k, I might be wrong.

Even so, it's a lot of spot healing that the healers need to do on non-tank targets. Holiest of holy is definitely up there if both knights are up. Knights 5 though, you will have the entire party eating 10k+ AoEs one after another on top of a dps check.

[Elazu]

Toke jopic

[Ashkendor]

What if you are paired with 7 other idiots every time you create a pf. I created 5 and had at least 3 idiots per game. Some joined even when I stated knowledge of mechanics was needed but they were just freshly new. So, like all forumites suggested, I should help them and train them right? I did. They bailed after they learn the mechanics, didn't clear and I raged inside.

The only solution here is that you need to become more strict as a party leader. If people obviously don't know the fight to the point where you're trying to practice, kick and replace. If they aren't listening and keep failing the same mechanic, kick and replace. Of course, I know that's not really easy to do. I know I sometimes have a very hard time kicking people from the party (even if they're godawful they're still actual people with actual feelings and they're bound to get upset) but that's the only way to progress when people that clearly didn't read your PF join up. The next best thing you can do is just have a friend that doesn't mind kicking lead the parties and just let them drive; don't fight them when they are inclined to kick someone for poor performance.

I think holiest is more than 10k, I might be wrong.

Holiest of Holy only hits that hard if your DPS is low so that you get multiple casts once the two PLD start swapping sword/shield oath. Killing one of them lowers the damage drastically. The fight is really well put together in the regard that it rewards you for high DPS without making it absolutely necessary; the damage can be healed through if the DPS just isn't there, but damn is it easier if it is there.

[Hakuohsama]

Thordan isnt even that hard lol..
I dindt kill it yet cause my raidgroup is on holidays but i got to 20% with randoms.

If you cant dodge some Aoe and cant organize 8 man that do the same... thats not the prob of SE

[Velhart]

Thordan's difficulty is where it should be. As usual some people are never happy. Too hard? Needs to be gimped. Now it is too easy and needs to be harder. The usual case of never being satisfied because said folks do not know what they want, they only know what they don't want.

Thordan is definitely my favorite fight to come out of the expansion so far and hope more Extreme fights in the future and even raid content (of course harder like version) take inspiration from it.

On a funny note however, here is Thordan EX in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDYn6a6pbZY