About the Warrior of Darkness.. theories? (spoiler-ish??)

[KarstenS]

What was the point of killing Ravana again if Ascians wanted the primals to be summoned?

It also got pointed: they where fighting Ascians too.

But that Ascian seemed to be different than ours.

[Cilia]

You want my idea? Buckle up, little doggy.

The Warriors of Darkness are ex-Warriors of Light... FROM THE FYOO-CHURR!

The Echo scene suggests they've already killed an Ascian, which, fair enough, we can do it so there's no reason they can't. However, the Ascian asks them whether or not they believe killing him will save their world. He doesn't specifically name-drop Hydaelyn, so a parallel world hypothesis is still in play, but in the interest if not going completely bonkers with that, let's just not go there.

If that's the case... adding in the fact that the Scions note we should know about them if they've been around trouncing Primals as we have... I would posit that they are ex-Warriors of Light from the future who failed to save their world and have been pulled back in time by Elidibus / Zodiark to do save our world or timeline. We just got on the scene and learned about Ravana's re-summoning, yet they were already on top of him. It seems... just a little bit too convenient, if you ask me. Darklander also emphasizes a particular word in one of his lines to us:

So you are the Warrior of Light. The savior of Eorzea.

... the ironic use of the word suggests to me that he believes (if not knows) what we are doing is not saving Eorzea at all, but condemning it. The Ascians have hinted at this since our first real conflict with one (the pitifully easy fight with Lahabrea after the Ultima Weapon). How could Darklander possibly know what we're doing is wrong unless he's seen the end results first-hand?

That's the hypothesis, anyway.

[Yuyuka3]

... the ironic use of the word suggests to me that he believes (if not knows) what we are doing is not saving Eorzea at all, but condemning it. The Ascians have hinted at this since our first real conflict with one (the pitifully easy fight with Lahabrea after the Ultima Weapon). How could Darklander possibly know what we're doing is wrong unless he's seen the end results first-hand?

My problem with this is from where this comes. Seriously, I trust the Ascians not even as far as I can throw them. They are responsible for the calamities. They are responsible for the primals. All of this killed people. A lot of people. And I just can't believe the world can be saved through killing innocents. So, considering who the WoD is employed by, and the mean look on that group in general (I'm still not over that psychotic smirk of Roe!PLD...), somehow makes me doubt they are good people just trying to safe the world. If that was really the case, why not just, you know, talk to us about it instead of attacking us practically on sight? If we knew what's going on, and that they are trying to help, don't you think we would have joined forces with them?

I will be frank. I don't completely trust Hydaelyn anymore, either. Something in 3.0 just... felt wrong about her. I can't explain it, it's just a feeling. Could be wrong, too, I don't know.
Still, even then, if I listen to both 'Answers' and 'Dragonsong', which are supposedly written from her view, I can't believe she means ill. She's the mother of all life as well (as far as we know).

So, to conclude this, I think we don't know enough yet to make any sense of what's going on. I hope this changes soon, though.

[KarstenS]

The Warriors of Darkness are ex-Warriors of Light...

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The Echo scene suggests they've already killed an Ascian

Interesting. I noticed, that the clothes of them look different within the echo scene and outside of it. Best seen on the whitemage.

Outside / Inside

[Belhi]

I think the WoD have bought into the Ascian's way of things. The Ascians have always hinted that they are seemingly setting the world back on its true path and that Hydaelyn is the evil. However nothing we have seen really supports that and that is at least the start of my doubts. Also, if they have such an unassailable argument for why what they are doing is saving the world why not try and get us to fall in line by telling us?

Having said that, I don't think they will turn out to be completely wrong. I do think something happened long ago which threw everything out of balance and wack. I however suspect that their way isn't going to in the end be the only way. Its worth remembering back to Ramuh who seemed concerned that the world would be swallowed in darkness. Its why he tested us, to see if we were up to facing it.

[Naria]

You want my idea? Buckle up, little doggy.

The Warriors of Darkness are ex-Warriors of Light... FROM THE FYOO-CHURR!

While I agree that this is possible with what little we know atm, I sincerely hope this is not the case. The current XI event reminded me of the truly ridiculous number of doomed alternate Vana'diels that tried to crash the PC's Vana'diel's party. I really hope that they are not reusing the alt worlds plotline or time travel again.

Although the fact that the WoD!White Mage seems to be wearing gear specific to A-Trowa Cant's tradition of white magic as well as you know, being a Lalafell whm in the first place is not leaving me very hopeful.

[Morningstar1337]

You want my idea? Buckle up, little doggy.

The Warriors of Darkness are ex-Warriors of Light... FROM THE FYOO-CHURR!

Okay then I'll just say that the Warriors of Darkness are ex-warriors of light...from Allag, the empire that makes the past look like the...



but that seems far more ridiculous, and you've had your fill of the empire anyway, so I'll try to ask this: What do you think happened in the future that caused the WoD and his party of darkness to go back in time to help beings of darkness, and why didn't they interfere with our foray into darkness to stop the crystal tower of darkness and go into the world of darkness to stop the cloud of darkness?

[DragonSlayer45]

I will be frank. I don't completely trust Hydaelyn anymore, either. Something in 3.0 just... felt wrong about her. I can't explain it, it's just a feeling. Could be wrong, too, I don't know.
Still, even then, if I listen to both 'Answers' and 'Dragonsong', which are supposedly written from her view, I can't believe she means ill. She's the mother of all life as well (as far as we know).

I agree with this. I don't think Hydaleyn is evil, but I think she knows a lot more than what she's telling us. She has a lot of explaining to do in the days to come, and I think we will have our answers when we get closer to the inevitable resurrection of Zodiark.

But enough about that, on to the Warriors of Darkness/Derpness:

Warriors of Darkness in other Final Fantasy titles they've appeared in have never been evil, but only serve the darkness as much as the Warriors of Light serve the light: Balance. It almost seems to me like that is why they think they were summoned in the first place: We've grown exceedingly strong since the Ultima Weapon, even without the Mothercrystal's protection. We've earned a penchant for achieving what should be impossible in Y'shtola's eyes.

I think they are being manipulated by Elidibus as a means to an end, they think that fighting us will restore balance, but is just giving the Ascian's god more power that will likely lead to his return. It probably didn't take much convincing for them to think: "Yeah, this guy is strong... too strong. We better take care of him/her." At the end of all this, I'm pretty sure the Warriors of Darkness will realize the errors of their ways and help us take down Zodiark.

[Cilia]

My problem with this is from where this comes...

I will be frank. I don't completely trust Hydaelyn anymore, either. Something in 3.0 just... felt wrong about her. I can't explain it, it's just a feeling. Could be wrong, too, I don't know.
Still, even then, if I listen to both 'Answers' and 'Dragonsong', which are supposedly written from her view, I can't believe she means ill. She's the mother of all life as well (as far as we know).

So, to conclude this, I think we don't know enough yet to make any sense of what's going on. I hope this changes soon, though.

While we have little reason to trust an Ascian, what with the whole "possessing our buddy and trying to nuke us" bit, it's noted by Elidibus that Lahabrea, Nabriales, and Igeyorhm were all acting as rogue agents when we encountered them. While they may be responsible for the Calamities and untold loss of life, we still don't know why they're doing such things. If it comes down to it, we may be forced to sacrifice our closest friends to give Hydaelyn (the world) a tomorrow, and while that is not a fun or enjoyable task, if that's what it takes...

As for Hydaelyn, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I agree, there's not enough information to make a definitive case for anything. Just throwing out the best thing I can cobble out of the information we now have.

Interesting. I noticed, that the clothes of them look different within the echo scene and outside of it. Best seen on the whitemage.

In the Echo flashback to the Warriors of Darkness' past, they're all wearing basic AF1 and wielding base Relic Weapons (I think). In the present time, they're wearing black-dyed AF1 and wield Atma Relic Weapons.

... I'll try to ask this: What do you think happened in the future that caused the WoD and his party of darkness to go back in time to help beings of darkness, and why didn't they interfere with our foray into darkness to stop the crystal tower of darkness and go into the world of darkness to stop the cloud of darkness?

Prior to the first "fight" against him, Lahabrea states that Hydaelyn's continued activities will break down the physical and aetheric laws of the world. I can only surmise that, in this hypothetical scenario, she actually did so, which would pretty much tear apart reality.

The Crystal Tower is side content, so it's highly unlikely to be referenced in the Main Scenario. They didn't oppose us because at that point in time we weren't a threat to the Ascians' plans, and besides, we don't know if they are directly linked to the Void and Voidsent.

Of course, adding in time travel makes you question why the Ascians don't just go to us on the opening carriage and annihilate us before we ever pose any sort of threat, but well... time travel is wonky.

[KarstenS]

time travel

In Chrysalis Nabriales did manipulate the time.

AST do (storywise) manipulate the time.