About the Warrior of Darkness.. theories? (spoiler-ish??)

[Morningstar1337]

Prior to the first "fight" against him, Lahabrea states that Hydaelyn's continued activities will break down the physical and aetheric laws of the world. I can only surmise that, in this hypothetical scenario, she actually did so, which would pretty much tear apart reality....

I see, well I can imagine the world where the Warriors of Darkness came from as something akin to everyone and everything in Erorzea being petrified as crystal. And possibly fueling a Primal version of Hydealyn as well.

As for the Tower, I asked mostly as a joke (see the "of darkness" plastered around that part) but also because, side content or no, I think the tower would had played a part in over-saturating the realm with light in their world, leading to the "Hydealyn breaking down reality" scenario playing out.

[aerolol]

One thing that always bugged me is that the Ascians are named after the Scions of LIGHT of FF12's Espers...
( http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...al_Fantasy_XII) )

I think the Ascians we know were previously Warriors/Scions of Light just like we, the playing characters, are now.

Maybe having the Echo and/or Hydalyn's blessing somehow "drains" the light of those who use it, and eventually they (we) become beings of pure darkness, like the Ascians we have fought.

The only way to become a "normal" being again would be having the Anti-Echo/Blessing of Darkness, perhaps from Zodiark, so that it "drains" the darkness of them/us...

I believe that's pretty much what happened to Derplander and his buddies. They are on the way of becoming pure darkness Ascians, but to avoid that, they purposefully spend their "Blessing of Darkness" to kill primals so the darkness inside them can be "drained".

[DragonSlayer45]

One thing that always bugged me is that the Ascians are named after the Scions of LIGHT of FF12's Espers...
( http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...al_Fantasy_XII) )

Even better is that at the end of 3.1, there's a book with the name Gerun. Gerun was the leader of the Occuria in FFXII, and the Espers (that is, the actual summons, not the Scions of Light) were all but directly stated to have served under the Occuria but had rebelled against them. Whether its a mere reference or perhaps an actual person in the setting remains to be seen. I know FFXIV takes a lot of inspiration from Final Fantasy XII/Tactics, but that was very interesting for me to see referenced.

[PotatoTree]

Isn't our opening cutscene Warrior a Dragoon now? It makes me think the Warrior of Darkness is a different copy, either a created clone or from an alternate timeline, and that our "good" War is still out and about.

[Morningstar1337]

Isn't our opening cutscene Warrior a Dragoon now? It makes me think the Warrior of Darkness is a different copy, either a created clone or from an alternate timeline, and that our "good" War is still out and about.

I think there is a discrepancy between the two versions. Right now there are 5 individuals:

• Highlander Hyur: Male, initially Warrior, but switched to Dragoon
• Plainsfolk Lalafell: Female, White Mage, generally adorable
• Sea Wolf Roegadyn: Male, Paladin, and his counterpart's psycho expression forever set the Warriors of Darkness' morality in doubt
• Wildwood Elezin: Unknown gender, assumed to be female (Note that the is also a Male Elezen in 1.0's advertising before Awnswers). Black Mage
• Seeker of the Sun(?) Miquo'te: Female, Bard, notably the only one who is with the Highlander before Answers

However there are two different versions of these 5 adventurers. The Warriors of Darkness, and characters used to symbolize us, the players. Of the 5 in the latter category, only the Highlander is seen everywhere form the start, with the Miquo'te appearing with from the beginning to Answers, and the Lala, Roe and Elezen only appearing there. As our proxies whether they're canon or not is ambiguous.


Their counterparts, the Warriors of Darkness, however are canon, the issue being who these doppelgangers are relative to the proxies, they could be one and the same (or 5 and the same, rather) but that is hard to reconcile with the Proxy highlander being a Dragoon as well as their black clothing and weapons. This is why the alternate universe and time travel theories are circulating in this thread, because we know nothing about this group and we have no indication on if the proxy group is canon other than as the ebon-clad Warriors of Darkness


tl;dr for all we know the versions of the Highlander representing us doesn't exist in canon, or at least instead of becoming a Dragoon, he became a Warrior of Darkness

[WellFooled]

One thing that always bugged me is that the Ascians are named after the Scions of LIGHT of FF12's Espers...
( http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...al_Fantasy_XII) )

Even if the Ascian's role in FFXIV is closely based on their names from FFXII I don't think we can take the light/dark labels at face value. The gods of FFXII, the Occuria, were as a whole quite evil and are also shown to control the flow of history. So when the Scions rebelled, naturally the ones who stood against the gods are labeled as "dark" by history, while the scions who stood with the gods labeled as "light". Of course the Occuria would think anyone who sided with them were on the correct side, but that doesn't mean the light scions were moral or upright, it just means the Occuria (who again, are evil) liked them.

An example of this sort of thing would be Thordan in FFXIV. He viewed himself as moral and upright, but he was far from it. If he had won the day, history would have remembered us as evil and him as good, but that wouldn't make it the truth.

[myahele]

Would be interesting if the 12 are 14's version of the Scions of light

[mb52139]

Honestly I was disappointed when 'warrior of darkness' ended up being someone with nothing to do with the 'current' story. IMO the big reveal should have been a shade/dark version of our own character. Which would even fit with the current patch name. "As goes light, so goes darkness"

[Morningstar1337]

Honestly I was disappointed when 'warrior of darkness' ended up being someone with nothing to do with the 'current' story. IMO the big reveal should have been a shade/dark version of our own character. Which would even fit with the current patch name. "As goes light, so goes darkness"

That tends to happen when your affiliated with the Ascians, who are usualy more intertwined with the metaplot then the patch stories (to the point where they are more apparent in initial MSQ arcs for both cycles, and the A Realm Awoken and Beofre the Fall patches). Only appearing for vague foreshadowing and cameos, the actual foreground threats after the initial MSQ arc were

• [2.1] Moogles
• [2.2] Sahagin
• [2.3] Sylphs
• [2.4] A Cult
• [2.5] Ascians, then the Syndicate

only 1 out of 5 patches and the starting MSQ ever had the Ascians do something besides manipulate things in the background or foreshadow something (ARR: Ultima, BTF: Kidnapping Minfillia, HW: Confronting the WoL in Azys Lla)...come to think of it AGLSGD is similar to ARW in that it introduces a group of antagonists related to the Ascians, but somehow different fro them (Makes sense given that both cases turned out to be related)


lets hope 3.15 brings new MSQ to the table. But fr now I assume the Warriors of Darkness are a part of 3.1+'s metaplot, similar to finding a way to kill Ascians was 2.1-5's metaplot

[Cilia]

Honestly I was disappointed when 'warrior of darkness' ended up being someone with nothing to do with the 'current' story. IMO the big reveal should have been a shade/dark version of our own character. Which would even fit with the current patch name. "As goes light, so goes darkness"

That already happened.

At the end of the DRK 30-50 line.

Admittedly, I don't quite get the meaning behind the patch name yet either, beyond the fact that the Warriors of Darkness are also fighting primals. But even so.