Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Riki_Namu]

Im sorry, as a healer you shouldn't be letting them drop below 50% like that. It's stressful on a tank because they dont know if you just suck or dont know what you are doing.

You are complaining that they never communicated that you did something wrong.... well you never said im gonna dps most of the dungeon because "reasons".

So from their standpoint you are a newbie in copperbell not healing and the tank is popping cooldowns and relying on himself to heal.

You straight up weren't doing your role. That would be like a tank tanking in a dps stanece not holding threat well and taking more damage making you sweat because you have to constantly heal him while getting slapped in the face by adds he couldn't keep control of.

Its pretty obvious why you got the kick to be perfectly honest. Your main priority is healing, not dps no matter how gear they are. If they are topped off every fight and never dropping into the danger zone then fine throw in some dps. But your priority is keeping them up on HP.

[Adol]

Im sorry, as a healer you shouldn't be letting them drop below 50% like that. It's stressful on a tank because they dont know if you just suck or dont know what you are doing.

You are complaining that they never communicated that you did something wrong.... well you never said im gonna dps most of the dungeon because "reasons".

So from their standpoint you are a newbie in copperbell not healing and the tank is popping cooldowns and relying on himself to heal.

You straight up weren't doing your role. That would be like a tank tanking in a dps stanece not holding threat well and taking more damage making you sweat because you have to constantly heal him while getting slapped in the face by adds he couldn't keep control of.

I see. Your opinion is respected, but I do not agree with it.
As someone who has mained tank from 1.0 through to 3.0, I found my greatest joys of party play were when the healer was capable of support and offense. It allowed us to clear content much more effectively than wasting time with wasted heals. It also displayed to me their knowledge of the game was greater than those who would rather spend most of their time in the dungeon healing than helping the damage dealers.

You mention my comment about how the other party members didn't say why they were going to kick me, and that I should have told them I was going to DPS. I cannot agree with that. Square Enix gave every single job in this game, from tank to dps to healers, the ability to deal damage. I should not need to tell anyone what skills I am going to use and when. It is not anyone's right to dictate what a person does in a dungeon, although I can agree that if someone is completely failing to do their job properly then some helpful tips to that under performing player may be warranted. When I say 'completely failing' I mean a healer letting the tank die due to not healing them, or a tank letting their party die due to not having hate on anything. In the real life situation that happened to me earlier I had not failed in my role, as nobody had died and I had contributed towards the team's damage.

[Calypsx]

Im sorry, as a healer you shouldn't be letting them drop below 50% like that. It's stressful on a tank

Us tanks can get over it, trust me. As long as we don't die I don't care what hp i'm at.

Don't let this group get to you op.

[Chiramu]

Us tanks can get over it, trust me. As long as we don't die I don't care what hp i'm at.

Don't let this group get to you op.

I wouldn't give a healer like the OP a comm if I were the tank, but I wouldn't of kicked him.

[Twilite]

In this thread, people playing with tanks lives in order to be weaksauce BLMs. Seriously, you all should know better.

Us tanks can get over it, trust me. As long as we don't die I don't care what hp i'm at.

Don't let this group get to you op.

Oh you piss your pants dude when your HP is 2000/16000 longer than 3 seconds(you're dead in 4 seconds). Don't even try to lie about it.

[cgbspender]

Im sorry, as a healer you shouldn't be letting them drop below 50% like that. It's stressful on a tank because they dont know if you just suck or dont know what you are doing.

What a poor argument. Do we, healers, votekick a tank when he pulls more than one mob at a time because we are unsure whether he "just sucks or doesn't know what he's doing" ?

[FoxyAreku]

Kicking someone without a word throughout the whole dungeon is a reportable offense, I recommend opening a ticket for a GM in game. Coulda just been them being bored and feeling like picking on you for all we know.

[Bobkitty]

Probably shouldn't roll as a tank if he is having heart/panic attacks over seeing his own health at 25%..

[Aika_Nakamura]

Main WHM here.

When it comes to DPSing, I never let a tank drop below 50% when doing so. While I'm not running something as simple as Copperbell NM (and I have three regeneration spells to put on said tank), it is still something you generally should not do. I'm currently levelling up a tank and noticing a lot of healers are simply not keeping me above 50%, thus causing me to pop cooldowns when they're too busy either just doing nothing or DPSing. I'd like to note that the former is the most often case, though.

So, try to put yourself in the shoes of the tank. Would a tank like being at 25% HP? I don't think so. I don't think your kick was warranted, but I do believe you should not let a tank drop that low. It's just something to make the tank feel comfortable.

I'd also like to note that a tank being at 25% HP is generally dangerous no matter what you do. As their HP gets lower, there's an ever-increasing chance for them to die. What if you miscalculated the damage? What if you disconnected, thus the monsters didn't die fast enough? There's a lot of other factors that simply rules out leaving a tank at that low HP.

EDIT: Gods, this thread is starting to look toxic.

[Atoli]

I'm currently levelling up a tank and noticing a lot of healers are simply not keeping me above 50%, thus causing me to pop cooldowns when they're too busy either just doing nothing or DPSing.
So, try to put yourself in the shoes of the tank. Would a tank like being at 25% HP?

You should naturally be using cooldowns anyway, so how is that "forcing" you to do something? Even if it was, it's part of your job anyway to provide at least a bit of mitigation. That's what you have those cooldowns for in the first place
Also, get ready for a world of pain when you encounter tank busters. Dropping to 1-3% of your max. HP or even less is not rare and something tank's just have to learn to live with. They have to trust the healers to save them, so better start learning to trust early on, when the healer let's your HP drop in leveling dungeons before the rescue.

I'd also like to note that a tank being at 25% HP is generally dangerous no matter what you do. What if you disconnected, thus the monsters didn't die fast enough?

Sorry, but THAT's your argument? If you disconnect, you can't heal the tank either, which means he'll die anyway, no matter if you'd rather heal or dps. Disconnection means you are not providing ANY kind of help.