Is it unreasonable to seek people at the part of a fight as you are?

[MeiUshu]

That's asking to waste 10~-15 (depending on time between pulls / entry /etc) of everyone elses time and is extremely discourteous to the others I am trying to get through the phase we are wishing to learn. Not only that, but you're also potentially losing 20+ minutes (POTENTIALLY) because of the fact that you're filling up a spot that someone with the appropriate experience could've filled that spot.

Basically you're ultimately wasting anywhere from half an hour or more of seven other peoples' time.

I understand the wish to help others, but I do not think it unreasonable to gate those who have not seen X yet. If I hate to wait for an hour to get those people, I'm perfectly fine with that. My goal is to complete a task we head in there to complete.

there is nothing wrong with what you want to do but you should remember that YOU too needed a few tries and that YOU too wasted the time of others...right ? dont act as if you were above now that you passed the first small step.

[Bodhicitta]

Yeah, people like the OP ruin this game. To see this mentality is so widespread makes me want to not resub. These are the same people that will cry about low populations when people leave but of course they will blame SE.

And I don't find it excusable to be a dick just because something is yours. When I sold my last house (an actual financial asset, unlike a worthless video game) I had several "open house" events in which we had people walking in that didn't look like they could afford a half-a-million dollar home. So what, house still got sold. If I can have a good attitude dealing with a serious financial situation then you can do the same when dealing with a freaking video-game.

Masking rudeness behind polite language doesn't stop it from being rude either. In those screenshots you are basically telling the guy "Hey thanks for being honest man, totally appreciate it. But fuck you "

[Aldora]

Yeah, people like the OP ruin this game. To see this mentality is so widespread makes me want to not resub. These are the same people that will cry about low populations when people leave but of course they will blame SE.

And I don't find it excusable to be a dick just because something is yours. When I sold my last house (an actual financial asset, unlike a worthless video game) I had several "open house" events in which we had people walking in that didn't look like they could afford a half-a-million dollar home. So what, house still got sold. If I can have a good attitude dealing with a serious financial situation then you can do the same when dealing with a freaking video-game.

Masking rudeness behind polite language doesn't stop it from being rude either. In those screenshots you are basically telling the guy "Hey thanks for being honest man, totally appreciate it. But fuck you "

It’s not like he’s “telling his guests to get the heck out of his house” (which you’ve mentioned in your previous version of this post (^_~ ) ), because that would mean that he would’ve invited that person to the “party” in the first place. But, in his case, he created a party exclusive to a certain group of people. In the “open house” version of your example, you were basically allowing anyone to enter your house, without “checking their financial status” before hand.

Even though it’s not viewed at as being nice towards the rest of the community (and that’s putting it mildly), the OP is in his right to ask for players with experience for the content he’s trying to tackle with his group. He is also in his rights to deny people from joining the group with tackling said content.

There is another thread about this same subject (unfortunately) called “Blocking first timers from the PF”, but the essence of these two threads is the same.

The party in question wishes to work on a specific tactic/mechanic of the battle and requests that its party members have experience up to that point, then that’s fine. It is considered to be rude if you enter a party if you don’t match the “requirements” set by the party.

It’s like crashing a party without being invited.

However! If you see a party where they ask for experienced players that you wish to join, but don’t meet their requirements, it’s perfectly fine to ask the leader of that party if you could join their party, for instance because you are confident with your own skills.

It never hurts to ask. If they give you their consent to join, then they’ve invited you to their group and will be “responsible” for you. If for some reason, you do not meet their expectations, then it’s on them (since they’ve invited you to the group in the end).

But, if they refuse, then so be it. You might be a fast learner, or confident that you can clear the content. It’s still their decision in the end.

It’s not so much that “people like the OP” are ruining the game, it’s the lack of communication with each other and respect towards one another that ruins a community.

So, in short. Communicate with each other. Treat each other the way you wish to be treated yourself. Respect is something you earn by showing it yourself first.

If i see a party asking for experienced people in order to farm a trial (or clear it) and i know that i’m not experienced with the phase they are referring to, i would respect their wishes and not join it uninvited until i gathered the necessary experience they are requesting of me.

Talk to people and you will be able to find others who will be interested in joining your party. I won’t say that it will be easy. It will take a lot of effort to get people together in order to tackle content, but good fortune comes to those who wait and invest in the effort to learn.

People who don’t feel like putting a lot of effort into learning mechanics or clearing content (referring to people who join parties and expect a win just by tagging along), will find themselves hitting a wall or a ceiling they can’t overcome if they continue like that.

You can only overcome challenges if you work with people, not “against” them. This is basically what an MMO is all about.

[Tilgung]

On day 1 content... I so love these comments. Must know the ins and outs of a fight on release day.

That isn't what the OP is saying. His PF is basically saying "Hey, we've figured things up to X point after doing this all day. I'd appreciate if you knew up to this point as well so we don't have to start from scratch again".

OP's in the right. His PF is very clear about the requirements/expectation and he wasn't asking for people to know well beyond what he was capable of doing himself. Which is what 90% of PF's will be by next week at the latest when people start trying to get carried.

[Kikosho]

Man, remember that long thread about how NA pugs are abysmal compared to JP pugs? Everyone arguing against the OP is the reason it's true.

[kuma_aus]

Dear NA people, babysitting is part of your PUG problem.

Newsflash, the game isn't only about you. The world doesn't resolve around you. People are going to do stuff that you aren't qualified for. People are allowed to clear content on the very first day it's out even if it means you aren't with them. Learn to respect the Party Finder. You want a healthy PUG enviroment? Respect others wishes, respect the criteria they set. If you are slightly different from what they set, whisper them or ask in party if your difference is alright. If it isn't, suck it up, find a party you are qualified for or make one yourself.

3 hours after the patch hit, Party Finder was already filled with parties looking for practice of certain late fight phases in Thordan on my server. Some were even recruiting for the clear. Did I as a first timer to Thordan try join these parties? Did I cry and complain that people weren't letting me in their "after charge practice" parties? No of course not, I made a first timer party myself since there was none in Party Finder.

People here are saying people who don't let new people to their specific parties are the problem with NA PUG scene. No, not respecting others is a part of your PUG Scene problems.

People are saying that since it's the first day, people aren't allowed to block first timers to their party. You are the problem if you think that. It's the first day, if you're a first timer, make your own first timer party. People are allowed to clear content on the first day.

Do you know what happens when people are unhappy with teaming up with randoms because they always have to play in some manner they never wanted to play in the first place? They end up hating teaming up with randoms and go out of their way to never do stuff with PUGs again.

Is OP "contributing to a very destructive behavior"? Of course not. Expecting someone else to play the game in a way they do not want to is contributing to a very destructive behavior.

Sincerely, an English player on the #1 most popular Japanese Server.

[Irie]

stuff

^this so many times.

[Squrilruler]

OP used PF as intended. I wonder if someone made a PF looking for a speed run, and someone joined that didn't want to speed run, should they be allowed to join? Is this now acceptable too?

[AdamFyi]

There is no problem with requesting experienced players on the Party Finder even if it's on the first day. Players that start up learning parties on day 1 are likely to have aready passed through those phases. So, no trouble there.

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Yeah, people like the OP ruin this game. To see this mentality is so widespread makes me want to not resub. These are the same people that will cry about low populations when people leave but of course they will blame SE.

Because apparently, something like this is too hard?

[ElHeggunte]

OP used PF as intended. I wonder if someone made a PF looking for a speed run, and someone joined that didn't want to speed run. Is this now unacceptable too?

Well, people weren't taking issue with how he was using PF, they were taking issue with the timing. You can build your PF group however you want, but you should expect people to be upset with you if you're going to have progress requirements less than 24 hours into a patch.