Long Shot Request: Piety

[Miscreant]

Piety isn't a dump stat....

The larger your MP pool the greater return you get from Shroud and Aetherflow

I'm pretty sure the amount of MP you regain per tick increases as well, otherwise MP wouldn't scale so well with levelling/gearing but I might be wrong about this.

[Risvertasashi]

The larger your MP pool the greater return you get from Shroud and Aetherflow

Hmm. I think you mean Assize? Or did SE change the workings of Shroud?

[Mycow8me]

which is why they changed spellspeed to increase DoT damage rather than frequency.

Is there patch notes for this somewhere? Im not doubting you or anybody, this is first ive ever heard of this.

[Miscreant]

Hmm. I think you mean Assize? Or did SE change the workings of Shroud?

I haven't played Whm post 50 yet, but Shroud has a Refresh potency of 80, wether this comes from Mind or your MP pool is a different matter though.

[Risvertasashi]

Is there patch notes for this somewhere? Im not doubting you or anybody, this is first ive ever heard of this.

It's in the 3.0 patch notes. Also affects HoTs; it is not as potent as Determination*, but at least SMNs and others aren't completely screwed by the stat anymore.

*This bit is from theorycrafters, not the patch notes.

I haven't played Whm post 50 yet, but Shroud has a Refresh potency of 80, wether this comes from Mind or your MP pool is a different matter though.

Ahhh. It's static based on your level (unless it's changed and I missed it). At level 50 it restores a certain amount of MP no matter what your gear is, and ditto for level 60.

Piety, however, does affect passive MP regen and Assize (since Assize is % based)

[Miscreant]

Ahhh. It's static based on your level (unless it's changed and I missed it). At level 50 it restores a certain amount of MP no matter what your gear is, and ditto for level 60.

Piety, however, does affect passive MP regen and Assize (since Assize is % based)

Fair play, seems a bit silly to do it based on levels as our MP pool is going to grown a lot over the next year and a half, but then as you said White Mages have Assize now, which scales with Piety.

[Risvertasashi]

Fair play, seems a bit silly to do it based on levels as our MP pool is going to grown a lot over the next year and a half, but then as you said White Mages have Assize now, which scales with Piety.

Mhmm. Funnily enough: Here's a thread noting the problem from back when darklight was "in". Most of the people there are doubting the person highlighting the problems with shroud but then as we got to SCoB and FCoB, more and more people started noting the problem of SoS being static, meanwhile SCHs basically had unlimited MP because Aetherflow scales.

OTOH, SCH's energy drain does not scale. So now both healers have a scaling MP return and non-scaling one. I think Aetherflow still beats out SoS even so, but... there's enough MP return that it's not a huge issue, IMO.

[Miscreant]

Mhmm. Funnily enough: Here's a thread noting the problem from back when darklight was "in". Most of the people there are doubting the person highlighting the problems with shroud but then as we got to SCoB and FCoB, more and more people started noting the problem of SoS being static, meanwhile SCHs basically had unlimited MP because Aetherflow scales.

OTOH, SCH's energy drain does not scale. So now both healers have a scaling MP return and non-scaling one. I think Aetherflow still beats out SoS even so, but... there's enough MP return that it's not a huge issue, IMO.

Thats pretty funny, oh well if that problem comes around again it will just get patched out.

I think Energy Drain does scale though, as it's the damage dealt returned back as MP, as you gear up you get more Mind which is more damage which is a greater return of MP.

[Risvertasashi]

I think Energy Drain does scale though, as it's the damage dealt returned back as MP, as you gear up you get more Mind which is more damage which is a greater return of MP.

It's possible this did change-- I'm only just now getting back into SCH since heavensward, but in ARR, the MP return was static. This also meant that you could use ED without cleric up--less damage, but you would get the full MP amount (266 at level 50, IIRC).

However, this generally has much less impact... ED is not something a SCH generally wants to spend aetherflow stacks on unless it really can't be helped, whereas SoS and Aetherflow are pretty much pop-on-CD.

[Miscreant]

It's possible this did change-- I'm only just now getting back into SCH since heavensward, but in ARR, the MP return was static. This also meant that you could use ED without cleric up--less damage, but you would get the full MP amount (266 at level 50, IIRC).

However, this generally has much less impact... ED is not something a SCH generally wants to spend aetherflow stacks on unless it really can't be helped, whereas SoS and Aetherflow are pretty much pop-on-CD.

Oh sorry I have to disagree with you on that one ED and Bane are what you want to spend Aetherflow on, using Aetherflow for healing is just for emergency situations, ED gives you a higher damage output and a better mana return, where as a well timed Emergency Tactics + Adlo can replace a Lustrate without the cost of an Aetherflow stack. It was different pre 3.0 when you could Lustrate in Cleric though.