Duty Finder can't find me a battle? 1 hour wait and beyond.....................

[PArcher]

i can see where this guys is coming from. In ff11 i did dynamis and sky simply to have content to do. I wasn't doing it for the shinies. And since WoW ppl ONLY do content for the shinies, not everyone starts at launch. I had personal issues preventing me from playing coil when it was relivent, and and those same issues are now why i have a new psn ID and had to start over.

incomming rest.

Oh, Ill do content just for the heck of it at times. Dont need anything from Alex EZ Mode, yet ran it a lot yesterday because I was part bored, part extremely ticked at the idiocy of my GC in PvP. If I get asked to do something, and am not already busy, chances are I'll help out.

But, expect me to carry you, and you;ll just get dumped and blacklisted. Dont have time for those kind of people

[PArcher]

It isn't a matter of being cheap, you shouldn't need to pay for any clears, that is for lazy people who truly do not want to learn anything, I even mentioned this in another topic Jps do not ever charge people to clear content, they teach and help them. This is an NA Scam that continues to work.

The thing is...at least 75% of buyers arent willing to learn. Dont even try to join learning parties, look up anything...nothing. They literally just want to sit and get carried to either get the gear at the end or just to say they did it. Ive seen so many buyers then brag about how they earned their clears and the work they put into the fight...sad

The rest are people fed up with bads who cant clear. They ask questions and ask if they can at least attempt the content (bunch of these are more then able to do the fight, just need a good group). Ive seen some of these people then go on to actually farm and sometimes teach it once they get a clear and understand the fight.

[Blood-Aki]

The thing is...at least 75% of buyers arent willing to learn. Dont even try to join learning parties, look up anything...nothing. They literally just want to sit and get carried to either get the gear at the end or just to say they did it. Ive seen so many buyers then brag about how they earned their clears and the work they put into the fight...sad

The rest are people fed up with bads who cant clear. They ask questions and ask if they can at least attempt the content (bunch of these are more then able to do the fight, just need a good group). Ive seen some of these people then go on to actually farm and sometimes teach it once they get a clear and understand the fight.

Yes, and this is why NA/EU data centers have a very high failure rate for most endgame content, People walk in, "hi, i'm new, what do i need to watch out for?" No respect to research and learn the fight first, just "please carry me, i'm lazy" and what do lazy people love to do? Buy their way out if being carried fails.

This is also why the "join only if you cleared" parties also fails, because they get people that didn't actually learn the fight, just lie dead on the group while the rest of the group carried them to victory. But at least they got the clear.

[Skivvy]

I guess I see playing this game different then it is. Why is it based on gear and progression forward instead of challenging battles to conquer?

That's vertical progression for you. It sucks, but seems XIV is never going to switch.

[Malevicton]

Of course this somehow became about run selling

[PArcher]

Yes, and this is why NA/EU data centers have a very high failure rate for most endgame content, People walk in, "hi, i'm new, what do i need to watch out for?" No respect to research and learn the fight first, just "please carry me, i'm lazy" and what do lazy people love to do? Buy their way out if being carried fails.

This is also why the "join only if you cleared" parties also fails, because they get people that didn't actually learn the fight, just lie dead on the group while the rest of the group carried them to victory. But at least they got the clear.

Even if these people were on servers with tons of learning parties...theyd still want only to get carried and buy clears. Maybe theyd join a learning party or two...but still would go in expecting to be carried.

And from what i see, most of those parties fail because people dont want to adapt to different strategies, rather than being unskilled.

[Mastanight]

I agree, most difficult content probably isn't great for Duty Finder, being the experience difference in the fight. Probably there is time to catch up to the newest content, but newer content will probably take over. I guess skipping things, so one can play at all would be the best move.

[raela]

Yeah I wanted to try Coil 1 and Shiva EX but the queue times were 100+ minutes before I gave up.

Can't clear Shiva and continue my quest. In PF people are farming Shiva, not newbie friendly to help get a clear.

But Shiva unsynced is easy enough that you can't really kill the party, unless you're MT. Might be able to pull people into a PF for a chance at a pony.

For coil.. Yeah, due to timezones issues, I never got to try when it was relevant. Looks like I can probably get the story through unsynced runs with my new FC, though. Trying to recruit for a coil LS may be the way to go.

[Paladinleeds]

But Shiva unsynced is easy enough that you can't really kill the party, unless you're MT. Might be able to pull people into a PF for a chance at a pony.

For coil.. Yeah, due to timezones issues, I never got to try when it was relevant. Looks like I can probably get the story through unsynced runs with my new FC, though. Trying to recruit for a coil LS may be the way to go.

If you were on Odin I'd see you into a LS especially for "old content". It most likely wouldn't be synced but I'm sure we could pull something out of the hat!

[Ashkendor]

And second, content becoming irrelivent, outdated, <insert comment> is a player created concept. Just because you don't need anything from it, doesn't mean other don't. Just because you "farmed it to death" new players haven't touched it.

content relevency is subjective to the players, if your new the content is new to you, its irritating as a gamer to read comments like that, they come off as smug, like everyone playing has played since launch. That is and never the case fir any mmo.

When people talk about the content being irrelevant, they specifically mean that it's no longer relevant to progression. This is a vertical progression MMO, so old raids and trials and the like are really only good for glamour gear and other drops (ponies, etc) or lore. The gear that drops in FCoB is roughly the equivalent of the gear that drops in the Aery. Nobody's trying to be smug. It's just that the content is no longer required to progress in the game. It's effectively gone from progression content to being side content.

It isn't a matter of being cheap, you shouldn't need to pay for any clears, that is for lazy people who truly do not want to learn anything, I even mentioned this in another topic Jps do not ever charge people to clear content, they teach and help them. This is an NA Scam that continues to work.

You're telling me that nobody has ever once sold content on any JP server? I find that incredibly hard to believe. (inb4 'sure but it must have been an American playing on that JP server' or some other such garbage) As to the claim that it's a scam, I offer this - my static used to sell runs on Fridays and do learning parties on Saturdays. We were always so busy both days that we ended up having to turn people away. Even knowing that we would be putting up a PF to teach any fight in the game outside of SCoB Savage on Saturday some would buy on Friday, and not just farm runs; there were tons of clears too. Even when the chance is there to learn, there are those that just don't want to. They want the shiny without putting in the work, so they offer gil. There's no scam. A scam involves deception, and good run sellers thrive on trust - repeat customers are actually pretty frequent. Hiring someone to clear content for you is no different than going to a restaurant for dinner. It's a service. If people weren't willing to pay for it, it wouldn't be a thing.

But things like Coil and Tower runs are all optinal content for extra story, Because they have no other use for the main game people don't bother and skip over them. and are far less likely to want to do them, even if they haven't finished.

I've actually run many people that are newer to the game through all of the Coils for story. We're actually planning to do a full run of all of the 24 man raids at some point as well because I know those are very difficult for people to get into via DF.

@OP - Even when FCoB was relevant to progression, DF was an awful place to actually complete it. Since we were given the option to run them unsynced, people just jump into Party Finder groups of 5-8 people and absolutely wreck them for the glamour items.