So Specialist Recipees are in the game.

[braneri1]

Specialist recipes are not a problem. Just find one or two people to collaborate with (this is an mmo after all, don't isolate yourself in a hole and then complain about the situation you've put yourself in) and choose your specializations to compliment each other so you can cover 6/8 or even 8/8. Very simple. Friends, FC, LS, even PF or just shouting about what you need...use the resources that are available and you'll be golden.

[MN_14]

You can be a specialist for all 8 crafts now, it just takes a few weeks of red scrips. Being able to make every item in the game shouldn't be easy (though ironically, having 8 specialists is still easier than getting every master 2 book was before heavensward).

I'm not sure what you mean by having 8 specialists is easier than getting every master recipe book 2 before HW. If you want 8 specialists at the same time, you're going to need two alts as far as I know, which is quite a bit of grinding. If you want to make use of all 8 sets of specialist recipes using a single character, it'll take over 1 week worth of scrips to change one specialization. It isn't something you would do unless you believe that you chose the wrong specializations.

On the other hand, the 2nd master books were quick to do and once you figured how to effectively build 11 stacks of inner quiet (not difficult, but I suspect most crafters were not effective at it), you just spammed the same process over and over.

[Greven]

It will make the DoHs world more cooperative which is not bad per se and again the recipes are just probably few useless items.. It's really no big deal.

The DoW/M example kind of works: you cannot be the top at more than 1-2 jobs. Endgame as a WVR will make you top for glamours (example), you can compare it to SMN which is strong at AoE.. Next patch you want to be a GSM to sell top tier accessories.. Well you can, as you can change to main MNK and be good in single target. In both cases it's not an easy and fast change but for sure the DoH one is the easier cause you just have to buy one soul of the crafter cause nothing prevents you from getting all your DoH their BiS while for a DoW/M it means a full gearset of last tomestone/raid/craft BiS and grinding a new relic..

[PArcher]

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I'm honestly laughing at the ignorance here.

You really think tanking a fight is anywhere near close to healing it, or DPSing it? Heck, tanking as a WAR is different than as a PLD is different than as a DRK. DPSing as a BRD isn't the same at all as DPSing as a NIN. Oh no, I can't make a few items that don't have much use in the first place...can we please get a real use for One Ilm Punch please?

Its not like you can use the same rotation and macros for every job...but crafters can do that...maybe we need to make each crafter have completely different rotations you can't macro?

[BreathlessTao]

It makes little sense to allow players to master any and every combat class but be unable to do the same with crafting classes.

This right here. Goes so much against the very core of the game. "Here you can be everything!" - "Oh, what's that, you want that thing? Sorry, luv, you better give up on being everything." What even... :/

[Gyson]

This right here. Goes so much against the very core of the game. "Here you can be everything!" - "Oh, what's that, you want that thing? Sorry, luv, you better give up on being everything." What even... :/

It's like someone on the development team had a moment of insanity and said "Hey, that desynthesis setup went over well with the players, right? Let's do more of that!" and then got this inane idea for a specialist system.

[FoxyAreku]

I'm not sure what you mean by having 8 specialists is easier than getting every master recipe book 2 before HW. If you want 8 specialists at the same time, you're going to need two alts as far as I know, which is quite a bit of grinding. If you want to make use of all 8 sets of specialist recipes using a single character, it'll take over 1 week worth of scrips to change one specialization. It isn't something you would do unless you believe that you chose the wrong specializations.

On the other hand, the 2nd master books were quick to do and once you figured how to effectively build 11 stacks of inner quiet (not difficult, but I suspect most crafters were not effective at it), you just spammed the same process over and over.

Incorrect. Souls of the specialists are buyable with red scrips, and it /is/ something you would do if you want to specialize everything, as it's the only way to do so.

Not like you need a lot of red scrips or even the red scrip gear for much than buying mats.

[Espritduo]

I'm honestly laughing at the ignorance here.

You really think tanking a fight is anywhere near close to healing it, or DPSing it? Heck, tanking as a WAR is different than as a PLD is different than as a DRK. DPSing as a BRD isn't the same at all as DPSing as a NIN. Oh no, I can't make a few items that don't have much use in the first place...can we please get a real use for One Ilm Punch please?

Its not like you can use the same rotation and macros for every job...but crafters can do that...maybe we need to make each crafter have completely different rotations you can't macro?

Nothing ignorant here. I know full well the difference between being a healer, tank and DPS. It's why I a. don't heal, b. stopped tanking a long time ago, and C. Prefer to melee DPS. That doesn't change the fact that absolutely nothing is physically stopping you from doing all of these things in any content in the game. Like I said, you can go into Alex Savage in any class you like since i180 gear is available freely and endlessly. The game doesn't stop you, your fellow raiders who you choose to run the content with do. Your snarky remark about making useless items is irrelevant. Crafting is what it is, and we all know that battle content is the core content of the game, and will obviously have far more to it than crafting ever will. The comparison is still solid though - You can do the battle content fully if you want. With specialist restrictions you cannot do all crafting content (without alts).

And as a Monk main, yes can we please get a real use for One Ilm Punch?

[Espritduo]

Incorrect. Souls of the specialists are buyable with red scrips, and it /is/ something you would do if you want to specialize everything, as it's the only way to do so.

Not like you need a lot of red scrips or even the red scrip gear for much than buying mats.

Except you can only specialize in three classes, and regardless of what you may believe, dropping 480 red scrips to switch is quite the punch in the gut. That is the entire point of contention over this system.

[MN_14]

Except you can only specialize in three classes, and regardless of what you may believe, dropping 480 red scrips to switch is quite the punch in the gut. That is the entire point of contention over this system.

The way I see it, if you want to specialize in 8 classes, you'll going to have to do one of the following:

1) Get your alts ready
2) Buy all of your red scrip materials off the market board and then decide on which specializations you want for the week. You can only change one, but over the course of 4 weeks, you can completely change them out.