3.1 PLD changes look good

[The_NPC]

Since I don't do Alex-Savage (or coil/EX Primals when their relevent) I can't say anything on that end for "problems" & will leave that to ppl with more "EXP" in that regard but I do find Arrgo problems being a thing when teamed with over-geared or equalled geared DPS that go "balls to the Walls all out" rip arrgo & blam the Tank... I mean the damn arrgo bars there for everyone to see so just do what I or a "smarter" DD/DPS should do (matter of opinion here, do not take literally) & just manage u'r own arrgo till u know the tanks in a safe-arrgo place

In regaeds to an opinion about the changes: sounds good even if u still need a block to do a "swipe" just gave me more DMG for a skill I some times disliked using do to the DMG loss (cause at moment DMG is all that matters for Arrgo control... aside from a more "Understanding" team) now just give us higher Arrgo multiplyer when Shield Oath is up... even if that means droping the DMG reduction to 15% instead of 20%

[Donjo]

So you're mainly saying is it's fine because we waiting this long, hold out for something else that MAY or may not change for the better? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that logic. Dragging your group down overall simply because is never ok, especially when it's an ongoing problem with no concrete evidence that there is a better change on the horizon.

Things are so screwed up at this point that it will be nearly impossible to make a change that isn't an improvement.

Regardless, what will most certainly happen is something that will affect all three tanks. It's a reckless folly to make a significant change to any of them with something like this on the horizon, especially when 3.1 will give everyone greater opportunities to get the amount of gear necessary to minimize the trouble any particular job conveys.

[Cabalabob]

Would have been nice if they'd also added an effect to shield swipe to restore some tp.

Shield swipe was basically our move to slow our tp consumption by being cheaper than our other skills and putting us on GCD, now it is oGCD it's not gonna do that anymore.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Would have been nice if they'd also added an effect to shield swipe to restore some tp.

Shield swipe was basically our move to slow our tp consumption by being cheaper than our other skills and putting us on GCD, now it is oGCD it's not gonna do that anymore.

They adjusted Goring Blade to cover that. The Goring Blade -> RA -> RoH/RA rotation currently consumes 5.333 TP per second with a 2.5 second GcD, in 3.1 it will consume 4.888 TP per second with a 2.5 GcD. That is roughly a 9% decrease in TP consumption.

The change to shield swipe is more to make it a viable MT DpS boost.

[Callidus]

Regardless, what will most certainly happen is something that will affect all three tanks. It's a reckless folly to make a significant change to any of them with something like this on the horizon, especially when 3.1 will give everyone greater opportunities to get the amount of gear necessary to minimize the trouble any particular job conveys.

Only if you're making the assumption that the planned changes don't impact the tanks equally. If they simply fiddle around with how attack is calculated for tanks based on existing primary stats, as it seems most people are guessing at this point, then that change would impact all of them nearly the same.

If that turns out to be the case, tweaking some potency or changing an enmity modifier here and there to even DPS and threat capabilities for PLD relative to the other tanks wouldn't be a big deal; the changes would scale right along. If anything, it would make more sense to me to get the relative DPS and enmity about where you want it, then do the across the board adjustments to how damage is calculated for all three of them.

[rawker]

now i am forced to cross fracture so as not to clip goring dot.

[SpookyGhost]

now i am forced to cross fracture so as not to clip goring dot.

Not sure if that would be a DPS increase but uh

what were you cross classing in place of Fracture to begin with? o_o

[Reynhart]

Does this mean it will still require a shield block proc or not? It's not a hassle if it still does, but would be neat if it didn't.

Nothing suggest it wouldn't.
Now, it's just an extremely less useful but more frequent Reprisal.
Can't say I'm impressed...

[Syzygian]

now i am forced to cross fracture so as not to clip goring dot.

People are still cross-classing Fracture? The 220 potency skill that costs 80 fucking TP? O.o

I'll be over here with my beloved Scourge. Yes, you are everything a DoT should be. Cheap, and not locked behind a dumbass combo.

[NFaelivrin]

There are no indications that Paladin will receive any further fixes in 3.2. As far as we know these pitiful buffs leave the class working as intended for the devs, by which I mean it doesn't work but they're still afraid of the 2x PLD parties from two years and four raid cycles ago.