Savage Clear rate being lower the Devs expected, good or a bad thing?

[Eisenhower]

I think squeenix has been overestimating the prowess of the playerbase. And that's what you get when most of the dungeon content is faceroll easy - if there's nothing to challenge the average player, the average player will have no reason to improve. Then comes Savage and beats the snot out of them the moment they step inside. No wonder players back away.

Normal/Hard/Savage split

I would argue for normal being story mode, granting gear just above dungeon token level (in this patch it could be a 185 above the 180 law stuff). An almost symbolic reward for experiencing the story.

Hard would subsequently yield gear that's stronger than whatever the capped tokens grant. I agree on the whole "between coil and savage" difficulty level.

Savage would be the GIT GUD mode, but only grant titles, mounts and glamour. It would be challenge for challenge's sake with cosmetic rewards only.

[Miscreant]

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Don't go hating on us, we may be a "vocal minority" but we are all still loyal subscribers, I've really enjoyed the difficulty of Savage so far and I know quite a few others have too. Also a lot of the more casual/mc groups are getting close to clearing Savage now it's just taken a bit longer that the coils did, the clear numbers will probably substantially higher by the end of the year.

I don't really see why they can't do three versions, all they have to do is design the savage, nerf the fight a bit for hard mode then nerf the hard mode further for the story, they don't need to be massively different fights, they just have to relax the dps checks and make punishments for messing up mechanics less severe.

[Ilitsa]

I, unfortunately was the only person wanting to try savage in my fc/static, and then I had a bit of a crisis irl, and was out for a month ony to come back to everyone aside from my best friend and my fiance having left my fc entirely, so now I'm pretty well stuck in a way that I havee no a1s exp so I can't go into most pf's for it, and have no friends that want to do it lol

[Saccharin]

Hey all as some of you may know but the Clear Rate for Alexander Savage was lower than what the devs expected. Got my info from here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t....1-Information

This confirms what I've always said: this game is not a raid game. A very small minority want the hard core type raids. They got it and most people didn't do it, I bet even most of those that demanded it!

SE should not nerf savage, they should leave it there as it is as a reminder that the vast majority of the player base is NOT hardcore, progression raiders.

Personally, I found WoW's decision to have half a million difficulty levels for their raids to be hilariously unnecessary if you have any desire to actually raid,.

It's incredibly silly. Currently you have Raid Finder (story mode essentially), Normal, heroic, and Mythic. They even nerfed normal. In legion (the next expansion) they should remove normal mode.

[ChiefCurrahee]

My static broke up not because of the difficulty, but because of the monotony of SE raiding system. We already did 2 years of coil. Alex is just a repeat of coil. There is nothing new or interesting about it.

Other reasons of ditching raiding were class roles. Tanks were expected to gear for DPS and healers to an extent were to add to the DPS of the encounter. This was the case in Coil, and even more so in Alex.

We just said enough is enough. There is nothing new or interesting about Alex Savage. So a few members unsubbed, a couple took a break, some went with different groups or just gave up on raiding in the 3.x series.

I myself am unsure what the point of raiding is other than bragging rights. Everything is made irrelevant with each patch cycle.

Glamor is not end game. If SE ever decides to toss out vertical progression in favor of horizontal progression, widen the amount of selectable endgame content I'll reconsider raiding. Until that happens I'm getting off the treadmill.

[Ladon]

Fighting server limitations as the main factor in fights kind of kills progression enthusiasm for most people.

This is why everyone hated Titan.

[zosia]

Don't go hating on us, we may be a "vocal minority" but we are all still loyal subscribers, I've really enjoyed the difficulty of Savage so far and I know quite a few others have too. Also a lot of the more casual/mc groups are getting close to clearing Savage now it's just taken a bit longer that the coils did, the clear numbers will probably substantially higher by the end of the year.I don't really see why they can't do three versions, all they have to do is design the savage, nerf the fight a bit for hard mode then nerf the hard mode further for the story, they don't need to be massively different fights, they just have to relax the dps checks and make punishments for messing up mechanics less severe.

Umm... No. The last stats we saw for a4s clears was under 2,000 characters. Things might be getting better locally on your server, but most servers only have 1-2 groups clearing a4s. The only way people are going to get a full savage clear at this point is either by getting better gear or the content is nerfed.

The SREX weapons will help a few groups per server, but we are not going to see clear rates reach above 1% of the player base until there are major nerfs or the content is majorly out geared.

[Dante_V]

I think they should keep 2 tiers and make normal more difficult. At least on par with Ravana and such.

[Gilraen]

I think they should keep 2 tiers and make normal more difficult. At least on par with Ravana and such.

What? The clears for Savage aren't as projected so lets make Normal harder? That sounds alot like a 'hardcore raider' argument. The problem isn't Alexander Normal, the problem as was pointed out in this thread is how the 'hardcore raiders' don't want to help anyone they feel is 'not good'. I think Miscreant has the right of it, casual raiders (note the lack of 's there) are getting there, but given the lack of people willing to help them nail down strategies, it's taking a while. "But they can just watch a video, what's the hold up?" Because watching a video isn't learning the fight. It's just watching a video.

[Enthy]

I have given up on end-game since FCoB. Statics and strict lock-outs are too much trouble to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one, so I'm not surprised NA player base clear rates are not 90%-100%.