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  1. #11
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    TouchandFeel's Avatar
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post
    Lately, I'm afraid I've been thinking (a dangerous pastime, I know.)
    That's all I needed to read to earn yourself a like.

    Not sure if such sentiment will help many of the problem tanks as I suspect their sanity is only so-so.
    Now the unease in my gut has been churning, since getting grouped with MT war that just Deliverance OP spam.
    I promised myself that I'd avoid the Duty Finder hell,
    but I've yet to be able to enact that plan ...
    (2)

  2. #12
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    DPS Code of Honor.

    If I pull the mob, I am obligated to kill it before it kills me. I have broken the contract between DPS and Tank in that I would responsibly use my abilities to kill the enemy without endangering the party.

    I have failed.

    Therefore to maintain my honor that enemy and I are now engaged in a duel to the death.

    Should I win, I am redeemed.

    Should I fail, LOL NOOB SCRUB TANK LOL WTF LRN TO AGGRO.
    We too have a code. I hope it explains our actions.
    (10)

  3. #13
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    Character
    Aria Elunia
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    I tank and I feel like a slave, never feel like a leader at all. I am there getting bullied, clawed, smashed, thrown, etc. etc.
    When a mob hit a healer, healer will be like "get em off me, you dirty peasant tank"
    When a mob hit dps, dps will be like "How dare you let these trash touch me, you slave tank"
    (3)

  4. #14
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    seekified's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Karis Angara
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AriaEnia View Post
    I tank and I feel like a slave, never feel like a leader at all. I am there getting bullied, clawed, smashed, thrown, etc. etc.
    When a mob hit a healer, healer will be like "get em off me, you dirty peasant tank"
    When a mob hit dps, dps will be like "How dare you let these trash touch me, you slave tank"
    Just tell 'em "Je ne comprends pas" when that happens, they'll give up trying to tell you what to do immediately.
    (4)

  5. #15
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    Ani Celestine
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jican View Post
    ...You are all there as a TEAM, and not a single person can run any dungeon solo. Once everyone accepts that fact,...
    I just had to: https://youtu.be/TIjxAcihf8k
    Note that it's at level 50.

    #SchMasterRace

    Okok yes I know you have the point right and there should be no leaders in a pug daily dungeon run, which is sadly what people just doesn't seem to get.

    And yes, one can't clear every dungeon solo, not even a sch. (Non unsynched)
    (0)
    Last edited by AniCelestine; 11-05-2015 at 10:26 PM.
    People need to remember that a healer's job isn't to heal HP
    but rather to prevent HP from reaching 0
    "Sent on Android device"

  6. #16
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    Exodus_Kenpachi's Avatar
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    Exodus Kenpachi
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 60
    I will take a tank pledge the day DF DPS stop auto attacking their way through my ESO grind and when my DF healers stop throwing out a cure 2 and the going AFK... Summoning Eos and setting themselves to follow and really going AFK.
    (0)

  7. #17
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 100
    It's so annoying that every tank thinks they are the 'leader'. Just because you have a sword and target the mobs first does not give you license to act like a spoiled princess. Yes, tanking sucks and it has a lot of responsibility-which is why tanks are rarer and hard to get from DF, but that does not mean your job is any more important than the DPS or the healer. I swear, sometimes I DF with tanks who act like BRDs/RDMs did in FFXI: "I'm special and irreplaceable and if you don't do what I say, I'm leaving because you all waited 40min for me, but I can insta-queue at any time"

    Tanks protect the party.
    Healers sustain the party.
    DPS progress the party.
    (1)

  8. #18
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    Delmania Shadowstar
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    Diabolos
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AriaEnia View Post
    I tank and I feel like a slave, never feel like a leader at all. I am there getting bullied, clawed, smashed, thrown, etc. etc.
    When a mob hit a healer, healer will be like "get em off me, you dirty peasant tank"
    When a mob hit dps, dps will be like "How dare you let these trash touch me, you slave tank"
    If they start that, kindly remind that you are a tank and therefore have the lowest queue time.
    (1)

  9. #19
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    Matthias Gendrin
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    It's so annoying that every tank thinks they are the 'leader'. Just because you have a sword and target the mobs first does not give you license to act like a spoiled princess. Yes, tanking sucks and it has a lot of responsibility-which is why tanks are rarer and hard to get from DF, but that does not mean your job is any more important than the DPS or the healer. I swear, sometimes I DF with tanks who act like BRDs/RDMs did in FFXI: "I'm special and irreplaceable and if you don't do what I say, I'm leaving because you all waited 40min for me, but I can insta-queue at any time"

    Tanks protect the party.
    Healers sustain the party.
    DPS progress the party.
    Read the pledge, my friend. It's actually the exact opposite of the entitled attitude you're describing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi View Post
    I will take a tank pledge the day DF DPS stop auto attacking their way through my ESO grind and when my DF healers stop throwing out a cure 2 and the going AFK... Summoning Eos and setting themselves to follow and really going AFK.
    It sounds an awful lot like you're using the poor behavior of others to justify your own. Try it out for a few days and see what happens. The jerks won't go away, but if you go in expecting to compensate for poor behavior, and are polite and optimistic regardless of what happens, I'm willing to bet you'll have a better time.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriaEnia View Post
    I tank and I feel like a slave, never feel like a leader at all. I am there getting bullied, clawed, smashed, thrown, etc. etc.
    When a mob hit a healer, healer will be like "get em off me, you dirty peasant tank"
    When a mob hit dps, dps will be like "How dare you let these trash touch me, you slave tank"
    As a tank, you are the de facto leader, because you literally lead the charge. And what most people don't seem to understand is that leading means serving. It is idealistic. It isn't for everyone. But when you do anything that puts you in any kind of leadership role, you are actually taking on a role of service. In essence? Yes, you are catering to them. If you communicate and apologize and do your best to fill the role, and take each challenge from the game head-on, you'll probably feel a lot less like a doormat, and a lot more like someone who's actually helping the group succeed.
    (4)

  10. #20
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 100
    As a tank, you are the de facto leader, because you literally lead the charge.
    Just because you pull the targets does not mean you are a leader. Technically, anyone could pull. In FFXI? Healers and bards(a support job) did the pulling, or in roaming parties even DPS pulled. It's the playerbase that decided in FFXIV that tanks do the pulling. At any rate, it's fallacious to say that leading a charge makes you a leader. War generals leading their armies did not ever lead charges, they were in the back. Generals and Commanders do not rush headlong into the frontlines. Tanks control the PACE of the group, but to say they lead everything is a biased view.
    (1)

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