JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Craiger]

I can't help but wonder if more players simply care about what they're doing on Japanese servers? Like, if you enter Expert roulette on JP servers, do still see the majority doing 300-600 DPS with like 190+ ilvl?

It would be much easier to be patient, if you could make a PF for practice, and actually find a group of players that have studied the fight and know basic stuff about their job...

I get the feeling that JP players can be patient, because the players are doing good, and there is some hope. I've been in groups like that through PF too, and I can stay in those for a very long time, but groups like that rarely happen.



NA/EU servers just seems to need more content to teach players how to play their jobs, and that could be as simple as making it more rewarding to do good in dungeons or something... Dungeons can't completely prepare you for Savage, but you can train there, and increase your DPS for example, you don't need anything else really, after all, nobody else have had anything else to get into raids...

PF could use some more options for different kinds of groups. It should be easier to actually find other players that are on the same page as you, whether that's first time practice, later stage practice, kill group, farm or whatever.

[Colorful]

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I can't speak for other data centres, but Duty Finder on Elemental is quite smooth. Average of 800-1000 DPS, with the occasional DPS doing 1000+. You still see things like people not AoEing when there's a large group of mobs, but overall it's a better experience, players perform mechanics well enough and usually perform better than your average Party Finder group. From what I've seen though, they're not patient people. I've had them disband after but a few wipes, while not even trying to communicate amongst each other. They always say {Hello!} at the start of the instance though, which is nice.

There's still that occasional nugget that does incredibly poor though.

Well daily limit, so I'll edit my response in here:

And that's what I'm curious about... Are they really more patient, or is it just easier to find good players on JP server?

I know that some will answer with "they would be better if people just helped them", but that's not always true... Sure, there are some scenarios where that is true, but a lot of the time in PF, you meet players that simply haven't learned the basics of their jobs, and teaching them how to play their jobs, as well as practicing the fight... is just too much, since you probably wouldn't get anything out of it. We could all be more selfless, but we can't spend all our time teaching things like that.

When JP players mean being patient, they mean it taking 50 min to beat A4S or something in PF lol Meanwhile, we find practice groups for A1S that can't even get close to beating Faust... (just an example, haven't really used PF for raids for some time, since in static)

The average player is definitely better, but they don't seem to shove the "You have to teach me!" mentality down your throat, they go use available resources (internet) and find the information. They do not pop into a learning party and expect to be taught their entire rotation, which is what people here seem to be implicating we should be doing. I only have one Japanese friend on FFXIV and a few "acquaintances", but that's the impression I've gotten. They are similar to higher end NA/EU players, like most of us on the forums I'd imagine are decent (or I'd hope anyway). We find our own resources, we research fights going into them and so do most Japanese. I hear people still had problems with Titan EX and the like far into it, but on DF it was easily clearable on here because people knew what they were doing. Of course this isn't always the case as I've stated in my earlier post, but the chances of bad players is lower.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

It doesn't happen often, but sometimes on Ultros I'll see someone put something up in the PF like "looking to help get people through Savage and teach, etc.". Those sorts of things. There are definitely people who want to help their servers and get more clears for people, but those people seem rare. Thankfully I don't raid so I don't have to put up with this nonsense quite as much.

[Craiger]

I can't speak for other data centres, but Duty Finder on Elemental is quite smooth. Average of 800-1000 DPS, with the occasional DPS doing 1000+. You still see things like people not AoEing when there's a large group of mobs, but overall it's a better experience, players perform mechanics well enough and usually perform better than your average Party Finder group. From what I've seen though, they're not patient people. I've had them disband after but a few wipes, while not even trying to communicate amongst each other. They always say {Hello!} at the start of the instance though, which is nice.

There's still that occasional nugget that does incredibly poor though.

And that's what I'm curious about... Are they really more patient, or is it just easier to find good players on JP server?

I know that some will answer with "they would be better if people just helped them", but that's not always true... Sure, there are some scenarios where that is true, but a lot of the time in PF, you meet players that simply haven't learned the basics of their jobs, and teaching them how to play their jobs, as well as practicing the fight... is just too much, since you probably wouldn't get anything out of it. We could all be more selfless, but we can't spend all our time teaching things like that.

When JP players mean being patient, they mean it taking 50 min to beat A4S or something in PF lol Meanwhile, we find practice groups for A1S that can't even get close to beating Faust... (just an example, haven't really used PF for raids for some time, since in static)

[Atoli]

I completely agree with the caller the OP talked about.
Sadly, the rest of the thread just proves how this is completely impossible on NA/EU servers. Why? Because especially NA people are kind of conditioned to fall into a state of panic as soon as they hear about not putting themselves first. Can't blame them, it's a mentality that is being taught and used again and again in school, social welfare, etc., so why would people suddenly act contrary to that in a game?
Yes, self-improvement is great! Everyone should do that. But not everyone has the same amount of time, ability or whatever is needed to succeed. Most people in NA/EU improve for themselves and no one else. But that also means that even if they clear content, they will not have a lot of capable players to farm it with afterwards. The Japanese community isn't slacking off either (although some people here seem to imply that...). They improve themselves too, but they do it for the GROUP, positively influencing others.
In the end, they even profit from it themselves later on when way more players are available for farming, who also actually DO know the fight by heart instead of having just bought one clear to get rid of the "new to content" message that makes others treat them as if they are the devil himself.

TL;DR: Only looking out for oneself is proven to be the worst option possible in pretty much ANY scenario. Of course, MMOs are no different, yet NA/EU players will continue to decieve themselves by thinking they achieve more by actively destroying any chance of having decent farm partners for their content outside of statics.

[Theonekitten]

I blame WoW for breaking MMOs in NA. WoW didn't proliferate and ruin the JP gamer MMO mindset like it did for Europe and NA. We are seeing the fallout from that.

[Selli]

"You guys are the world first! You guys are supposed to be the master race, right?"

*Everyone laughs*

Best. Moment. Ever.

[ShiloEET]

Most of the time in end game content i find i am making no mistakes at all and only my team does. I've never complained.

[Mature]

The guy from chocobo server is ABSOLUTELY right. The problem in eu/na servers is that there are way too many deluded players godlike wannabes an morons who believe they are better than others . Major issue this is. They can't be arsed helping cause somehow they wanna feel special.

A CLEAR example is crafting , a guy from the same server managed to get his gsm to 60 in no time same as other one from a NA server... You ask what's my point? The guy from jp didn't bother to post it but the guy NA decided to post it because wanted some recognition for it and been seen as the best......

That is a fact is clear and I keep pointing that out since forever. No wonder mods/admins in the forums listen more to the Jp community .

[Gardes]

And that's what I'm curious about... Are they really more patient, or is it just easier to find good players on JP server?

They have more respect for themselves and other players' time imo. Let's say I'm a red mage looking for a leveling group in XI and I'm in high demand. I'm looking to grind all day long and one japanese talks to me with auto translate about going with his party for 1 hour. At the same time, an english speaking player asks me to join his party for 'long time' exping. You know which one I'll pick? The JP's offer, even if it means that I'll have to look for another party in one hour. Why? Because even if it's for one hour, it'll be a solid experience through and through. If I pick the english speaker? I will almost always get someone afking on me with their 'brb smoke' crap and then they just sit there for like half an hour leeching xp. This gets even worse when leveling methods shifted to alliance leveling and people would just afk without notice to leech xp.

I even had someone from our FC randomly AFK when my FC's only static were looking to regroup in SCOB and train interested members up from t6 again (even though we were in t9 already). No word what so ever and he just suddenly stopped moving. When he responded many minutes later, we found out that he's making cakes or whatever for dinner. In the middle of t6. We asked him if he could stop that and let us finish t6 first and he flatly said no and afk'd again! Zero remorse. We went through a few more of 'helping acquaintances get through t5 and learn t6-8 all over again' just so we can give t9 a shot but it all ended up the same: people just don't give a crap about other people's time. This even applied to our T9 winning group that went on fcob again. It's almost amazing how we even got through that. Like really? "I forgot it was friday and thought it was thursday so I just slept through"? I'm the only one in the group that wasn't on an american time zone and had to raid in the morning my time and even if my schedule is flexible enough to raid any day, that's just screwed up.

I'm also gonna say that the anti parser sentiment also applies to this. A third party parser will probably still be more detailed and analyzable than whatever SE can provide but people's resistance towards it just shows that they would rather see everyone's time wasted than be hold accountable when it's shown that they can't be bothered to try.