JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Lewtskie]

well.... if you want your community to be better.
Then the responsibility is on everyone in that community to be willing to teach and learn.
If we all keep the mentality "it ain't my job, let someone else do it" then yea........
change the "ME! ME! ME!" attitude to "WE! WE! WE!"

Why is one extreme good and the other bad? No offense, but that's just as ignorant. Are you to say that one should never put any time to improving themselves and only improve everyone else? Am I to rely on someone else to help me improve? When it's about yourself, there is only yourself. When it's about everyone else, then you have a couple hundred, to a thousand, to a million. Who's turn is it to get the help to improve? Obviously I couldn't do it myself since I'm always having to help someone else improve. So do I have to take a ticket? Get in a line?

[hagare]

Why is one extreme good and the other bad? No offense, but that's just as ignorant. Are you to say that one should never put any time to improving themselves and only improve everyone else? Am I to rely on someone else to help me improve? When it's about yourself, there is only yourself. When it's about everyone else, then you have a couple hundred, to a thousand, to a million. Who's turn is it to get the help to improve? Obviously I couldn't do it myself since I'm always having to help someone else improve. So do I have to take a ticket? Get in a line?

*COUGH*
willing to teach and learn

PS: you do realize that WE also includes ME right.

[Lewtskie]

*COUGH*
willing to teach and learn

PS: you do realize that WE also includes ME right.

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

[hagare]

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

you're saying I'm putting things in the extreme when you're the one doing so?
I'm pretty sure you can pick when and how to do things.
When to help others and when to help yourself.
teach what you can, learn what you can't.
helping people does not mean being a doormat.
teaching people also refreshes your knowledge about the teaching material.
Maybe you won't be the one to change the community, but why don't you be the one to start?

PS: they're sure because numbers don't lie.
have you seen the number of clears between NA, JP and EU?

[Lewtskie]

you're saying I'm putting things in the extreme when you're the one doing so?
I'm pretty sure you can pick when and how to do things.
When to help others and when to help yourself.
teach what you can, learn what you can't.
helping people does not mean being a doormat.
teaching people also refreshes your knowledge about the teaching material.
Maybe you won't be the one to change the community, but why don't you be the one to start?

PS: they're sure because numbers don't lie.
have you seen the number of clears between NA, JP and EU?

But now we've hit the crux. You're telling me to pick and choose. But the issue is not everyone is certain when that time is best. Just as there are those who insist they only look out for themselves, some insist time must always be given to someone who needs help.

People are chastised and belittled for choosing to leave a DG that is marked with someone new. Is it not so that person only chose to not help then? People would demand its our job to stay and teach. Even if it's not a constraint of time, but of effort. Coming home from a 12-hour shift and I just want to blank run a DG or two before bed. I've done it before on certain Jobs, I can just put myself on auto and do great. But someone is now new and needs to know shit. I'm tired and honestly don't want to help. It's a situation as thus that the issue lies on. But it's also a very specific circumstance. Not every situation is cut and dry.

Even those of us who don't just whine and complain about issues of success in our servers, if we don't help we're considered just as much of the problem. And if I don't have some record of actions for context, any given time when someone is in need and I take that time to decide not to help I'm considered a shitlord.

I do not question statistics and results. But I do question demanded order that has no structure that is only based on feelings.

It seems like the general consensus would just be that if you don't have time, that's fine. The problem is when you're looking out for #1, but being a dick about it. I don't think many people would be upset if you just said "Nah, I don't really have time to help you out right now. Another time, maybe?" That's kind of the issue on both sides though. People have things to do, but most things can be handled without being shitty to each other.

I do love this post. But I'd be lying if I said I believed this was a perfect scenario. I've gotten word from people before in older FCs that I'm one of those "always around but doesn't ever help" types. And they wouldn't be entirely wrong. I have little time and often much to do, or at least want to do. And I admit I stay in FCs purely to talk to people every now and then. But there is a stigma that seems to attach to me. I suppose that is where most of my frustration lies.

[hagare]

le snip

You can learn the difference between not helping others and troubling others right.

Not helping is refusing a request to join a dungeon run and that's fine.

Troubling others is signing up for a DF run and leaving after seeing a new player announcement and that's not fine. That is a matter of commitment and responsibility when you decide to do DF and you know it. And this is also one of the steps to improve the community.

Yes, helping others does take time from your personal time. No, you are not obligated to do so no matter what others says about you.

If you don't have time to make a learnng PF, it's alright.
You know your own schedule better than anyone else.

In short, not helping is fine, troubling other people is not.

[Klamor]

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

It seems like the general consensus would just be that if you don't have time, that's fine. The problem is when you're looking out for #1, but being a dick about it. I don't think many people would be upset if you just said "Nah, I don't really have time to help you out right now. Another time, maybe?" That's kind of the issue on both sides though. People have things to do, but most things can be handled without being shitty to each other.