JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Sylkis]

Party finder on this game is the worst.
I'm not quite so willing to believe their situations are far better than ours in 14 since the servers are segregated

They do have party finders for all stages of savage, including parties for specific phases of a fight for learning parties. The JP PF/DF is far better.

That said, they are still wary of players who can't speak JP - JP ONLY in PF is still there.

A quote from 2ch boards (trash talk area) for our server - "English players are 90% sh-t, 9% average and 1% good"

But being able to communicate is important. If you can't, then expect to know the strat. Of course if you don't speak JP then the paradox about needing experience to join a party but can only obtain experience by joining applies. The result for english only players is the above.

[SakuraMidori]

It all comes down to the selfish behavior of this community, everyone is new to a fight at some point, everyone wipes to said fight multiple times at one point yet when people get past that hurdle and now posses the knowledge they could use to help others they suddenly enter a state of mind that says "kill experience or get lost" or "don't know the fight? sorry git gud then comeback later".

I 100% agree i myself have never kicked anyone for being slow or having bad dps why? it's a damn game and ill beat the stuff i need at some point. But cussing players out or RQ at random or that new dumb ass saying gitgud is useless and if all you care about is your ilvl and gear and being the best are you really having fun? in my eyes fun is finding ppl to have fun with and helping ppl is that not the point of a game? this is a game not a job. That's really it and if your not having fun maybe it's time to quit

[Brian_]

As someone who transferred from an NA server to a JP server, the baseline you're working with is different.

There will be exceptions to this generalization, but I see this idea shared in a lot of these posts about why the NA PuG scene is so bad.

And, you see it in this topic.

When I join a DF/PF group on Tonberry, nobody is going in completely blind. It doesn't matter if it's a learning party from the beginning. People have done their homework. While they might need time to get used to the fight in practice, they know the fight in theory. And, this extends to their ability to play their role. I have yet to come across anyone who is just inexplicably terrible at their role and the result is even if someone is slightly under-performing, a few exceptional players can easily make up for their shortcomings.

And, because of the generally higher level of mutual respect, the degree of patience and acceptance people have is higher. New players respect the time of experienced players and are thankful for the help they offer rather than NA servers where people spit in your face and slap you with their undeserved self-entitlement when you try to offer productive advice.

When I transferred to Tonberry and started to apply to statics, the group I eventually joined initially heard I was an American tank and had an immediately negative reaction. They said American tanks are typically stubborn, selfish, refuse to learn, refuse to adapt, and take criticism incredibly poorly. Given my experiences on Gilgamesh, would I disagree? No.

When the system is the same and there is such a massive difference in results, perhaps it is the participants at fault.

[Maaizr]

seems like this is just one of those issues that can and will never be fixed

[CosmicKirby]

Hmm.

In a broad sense I'm not quite sure just telling NA players to not kick underperforming players means that NA as a collective will get better. If JP servers are regularly Pugging A3S and A4S, there's worlds of difference between our communities skill levels. I've been with the same static for about 3 months trying to clear A3S, and we have gone through extensive periods of making sure each player is playing as best they can, and we have still yet to beat the fight.

I'm more than willing to accept that either, my static (myself included) aren't that good, or perhaps some players in my static aren't that good. But I don't think not kicking the under performing players has helped us at all, I'd lean more towards it hindering us at this point. If my static were to have replaced some of the underperforming players, I imagine we would have already cleared the fight, but players that are available and good enough to be an improvement over our existing members, are frankly just in short supply, even on Balmung.

Maybe JP players are just leagues ahead in performance on this game, if they're clearing A3S/A4S with pugs that would support this, I just don't think some positive thoughts and support is going to help NA. I'm inclined to believe it's some sort of self-motivation that JP players push themselves to try and perform their best, that I just don't see in a lot of NA players.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Hmm.

In a broad sense I'm not quite sure just telling NA players to not kick underperforming players means that NA as a collective will get better. If JP servers are regularly Pugging A3S and A4S, there's worlds of difference between our communities skill levels. I've been with the same static for about 3 months trying to clear A3S, and we have gone through extensive periods of making sure each player is playing as best they can, and we have still yet to beat the fight.

I'm more than willing to accept that either, my static (myself included) aren't that good, or perhaps some players in my static aren't that good. But I don't think not kicking the under performing players has helped us at all, I'd lean more towards it hindering us at this point. If my static were to have replaced some of the underperforming players, I imagine we would have already cleared the fight, but players that are available and good enough to be an improvement over our existing members, are frankly just in short supply, even on Balmung.

Maybe JP players are just leagues ahead in performance on this game, if they're clearing A3S/A4S with pugs that would support this, I just don't think some positive thoughts and support is going to help NA. I'm inclined to believe it's some sort of self-motivation that JP players push themselves to try and perform their best, that I just don't see in a lot of NA players.

Well, I don't even care about Savage, because it doesn't really reward me for anything. So my motivation=0.

Maybe they should add good gear to the game and make it actually worth something to get?

NA/JP Players are motivated by different things.

NA players, for the longest time have been playing games where loot is like this: http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Chestplate_of_Solid_Malice

Interesting and cool effects added to each rare piece of gear.

Without that on hard content and barely any stat increases.. Why bother?



I'm not in it for a challenge, I don't care about challenge. All I care about is making my character stronger, and I know that Savage is hard and in a few months new loot will come out that will replace Savage gear, so why bother with it when its barely an upgrade over what I can get running two dungeons?

[Soralis]

i am from EU, this does not interest me, ^+^

[Osmond]

NA players just don't have that kind of patience. Different communities, different ideals, different way of doing things. It can't be helped, it is what it is.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

NA players just don't have that kind of patience. Different communities, different ideals, different way of doing things. It can't be helped, it is what it is.

I'd have patience if there was a good reward involved.

In SWG I sat outside someones house for 6 hours until he came out and I collected his bounty.

1. The gear is ugly and horrendous looking.
2. The loot is only a few points over what you can get.
3. It requires a lot of dedication. Why dedicate myself to a job that barely pays over my current job? (example)

I think people underestimate NA a lot. We are just motivated by way different things and JP actually gets motivated by being better/the best. Me? I don't care about being the best.


Say you had a job that pays 20 dollars an hour. Another job comes up that pays 22 dollars an hour but is four-six times the work? Do you really think I would quit my current job for that one? No.

[Hayward]

As long as there are elitist forums with people gassing each other up in a hermetically sealed bubble, that will be a tough row to hoe. There are too many folks with this cliquish mentality and are determined to keep other players from learning through doing and actually becoming good at these fights.