JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Whiteroom]

At what point, and to what point, is anyone responsable for thier own performance? I see so much here on these forums where the team is responsable for the few who can't be bothered to try, rather than everyone being part of the team. So I would counter challange with, learn your roles people. Ask not what your team can do for you, ask what you can do for your team.

Btw, haven't had a chance to watch video, at work.

[Gamer3427]

At what point, and to what point, is anyone responsable for thier own performance? I see so much here on these forums where the team is responsable for the few who can't be bothered to try, rather than everyone being part of the team. So I would counter challange with, learn your roles people. Ask not what your team can do for you, ask what you can do for your team.

Btw, haven't had a chance to watch video, at work.

I'll agree that there are plenty of players out there who don't bother to make an attempt at learning their rotations, but that's not the point of this thread. It's not asking for people to be willing to carry such players, but rather for them to be willing to work with the ones that are actually trying. It's one thing for players to know how to play their class. It's another for the rest of the team to either kick them or abandon the run if said player is unfamiliar with the fight, or makes a single mistake.....

[Whiteroom]

I'll agree that there are plenty of players out there who don't bother to make an attempt at learning their rotations, but that's not the point of this thread. It's not asking for people to be willing to carry such players, but rather for them to be willing to work with the ones that are actually trying. It's one thing for players to know how to play their class. It's another for the rest of the team to either kick them or abandon the run if said player is unfamiliar with the fight, or makes a single mistake.....

Tbh, I don't run into a lot that abandon quick when everyone is trying. The odd one sure, but mostly it is stuff like seeing the second oppressor spawn in A1N at 70% when everyone has ilvl 200 weapons. Or when people can't be bothered to dodge, or execute the simplest of mechanics even after acknowledging the mechanic.

Some of insta abandons I think stem from the same thing that drove Winterluna to create the, "Block people without clears" option for PF request. I stopped joining most PF a while back, because you almost always had people trying to sneak in for free clears, then leaving, causing the group to fall apart, or even not clear. People get sick of that, really sick of it. People lose paitence for those that can't be bothered to try, or for what they se as obvious mistakes, because in part, they have a lot of previous experience with that. I see a hell of a lot more people sneaking into farms than I ever see learning parties, and you don't need a clear to start a PF group.

Now for the above, I understand things are better on the Japan servers and you see much less of the above behaviour. This makes for a better community and enviroment.

It's not just elitest idiots who sour the community, it's also the entitled selfish sub-par who do. If there were more honesty and effort put in by people, you would see less of the OP issue.

[Darkshade]

Tbh, I don't run into a lot that abandon quick when everyone is trying. The odd one sure, but mostly it is stuff like seeing the second oppressor spawn in A1N at 70% when everyone has ilvl 200 weapons. Or when people can't be bothered to dodge, or execute the simplest of mechanics even after acknowledging the mechanic.

Some of insta abandons I think stem from the same thing that drove Winterluna to create the, "Block people without clears" option for PF request. I stopped joining most PF a while back, because you almost always had people trying to sneak in for free clears, then leaving, causing the group to fall apart, or even not clear. People get sick of that, really sick of it. People lose paitence for those that can't be bothered to try, or for what they se as obvious mistakes, because in part, they have a lot of previous experience with that. I see a hell of a lot more people sneaking into farms than I ever see learning parties, and you don't need a clear to start a PF group.

Now for the above, I understand things are better on the Japan servers and you see much less of the above behaviour. This makes for a better community and enviroment.

It's not just elitest idiots who sour the community, it's also the entitled selfish sub-par who do. If there were more honesty and effort put in by people, you would see less of the OP issue.

/thread /10char

[Ashkendor]

I'll agree that there are plenty of players out there who don't bother to make an attempt at learning their rotations, but that's not the point of this thread. It's not asking for people to be willing to carry such players, but rather for them to be willing to work with the ones that are actually trying. It's one thing for players to know how to play their class. It's another for the rest of the team to either kick them or abandon the run if said player is unfamiliar with the fight, or makes a single mistake.....

It's not about being perfect, though. The biggest thing to take into account is that people tend to feel that someone going in blind is putting the onus on the other seven players to clear content for them rather than taking some initiative to clear it themselves. I understand all too well that not everyone learns well from videos. As one of those players myself, my advice is watch them anyway. Any information that you get out of it can only help you. Some mechanics are best learned by actually doing them, but it really does help to have an idea of what to expect. Other players will appreciate that you at least took the initiative to watch a video even if you still mess up a mechanic. Yes there are a select few players that get upset if anyone even messes up a single mechanic, but they are few and far between. Any rational person understands that watching a video doesn't magically give you 100% proficiency.

If you're really insistent on not wanting spoilers, that's perfectly fine. If you are catching up on content you should probably not do it in Duty Finder, though. If you want to go into old content completely blind, some friends or Party Finder would be the way to go.

As long as there are elitist forums with people gassing each other up in a hermetically sealed bubble, that will be a tough row to hoe. There are too many folks with this cliquish mentality and are determined to keep other players from learning through doing and actually becoming good at these fights.

You need to remove the tinfoil hat, sir. I don't know a single person that gets out of bed and logs into the game bound and determined to prevent players from learning through doing. There is simply a time and a place for doing it. Going into Duty Finder and expecting seven random people to bear with you while you wipe the party repeatedly is unrealistic. That's why we have Party Finder - if you want to learn, make a party with people that are there to learn with you or there to teach you.

I don't learn well from videos myself but I watch them and get what I can from them anyway. It helps me know what to expect.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

I agree its best to be more welcoming to players in raids. I like this policy because I am a friendly person but honestly, even if I was mean, it does not take a genius to understand that the most efficient party is a party with no drama and rage quitting and if I want the raid to go well, I want it to be efficient.

The time it takes to rage on someone could better be spent being helpful and constructive.