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  1. #31
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    why? to make it even more boring than most of the content ingame? (instances which are zero challenge etc.)
    Some people really need to revisit their definition of challenge.
    Random =/= challenging. Random = "spam it till you get better cards" + frustrating.

    Random in VIII was challenging because you could influence your card collection, and there were no stupid limits to how many strong cards you may use. So you could actually build somewhat of a strategy.
    Random in XIV is not challenging because you are just bashing your head against the wall till you get a viable hand.

    But yeah, making a clever AI for TT (which is like one of the EASIEST games to write an AI for, it's deterministic and doesn't offer too many options) was apparently too demanding...
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  2. #32
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    ServerCollaps's Avatar
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    Tiger Undie
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    Fisher Lv 100
    facerolling npcs with full 4 or 5 star decks involves zero strategy
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  3. #33
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Do you got a better argument other than "no this is boring"?
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Do you got a better argument other than "no this is boring"?
    i think its a very good one
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  5. #35
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    I see, nothing then. Carry on.
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  6. #36
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    Khuja'to Kurozuki
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    (for me at least!)its more along the fact that it seems SE cannot make a NPC challenging with out using the random rule.
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  7. #37
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    Gunspec Daggerforge
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    facerolling npcs with full 4 or 5 star decks involves zero strategy
    Until your opponent is using plus or chaos, or using full decks of 4 and 5 star cards themselves, and then you've got to think and play carefully.

    Playing with a random 1-2 star deck against a "random" 4-5 star deck opponent, in which there are no rules to aid you, such as "plus", doesn't involve strategy. It involves losing repeatedly until the dumb AI throws a match.

    Pay attention to the npc players and notice how easily they could have beaten you each time you actually win, if they had only played like a rational human player.

    I beat every NPC in 2.X with a 1-star deck back when I started playing, just to unlock the Squall card. Just because you CAN win, doesn't mean the game is fun or sensible. It means that the cheap AI opponents occasionally place cards poorly, or they play according to patterns you can memorize and exploit.
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    Last edited by Gunspec; 10-30-2015 at 09:57 AM.

  8. #38
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    N'rhuna Veraan
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    facerolling npcs with full 4 or 5 star decks involves zero strategy
    If you only play 1* deck NPCs that would be true, but you'd kind of have to be a clueless scrub if that's all you did with your elite TT deck, and that's really not what we're talking about here, obviously.

    Quote Originally Posted by ServerCollaps View Post
    i think its a very good one
    It isn't.
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  9. #39
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    I've said it several times before and I shall say it again. The random rule only hurts the person playing against the NPC. Its basically throwing your cards in the air and grabbing 5 at random. For many that is (I don't even pay attention to how many are out there but w.e) 40+ cards while the NPC seems to throw 6 or 7. By the rules of TT they should only be using at most 1 2star or higher, least as I recall.
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  10. #40
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    Ceyl Fukuro
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I remember when I was dueling against Tataru. My LS witnessed how much I complained about the BS random+chaos combo. But yeah, if I look back, that NPC drops 5-star legendary cards, 2 of them! which are cards that were tourney rewards originally. They drop from platinium cards too. So you have the chance to get these once/2 weeks. Tataru I think has the longest window for dueling too. Their rarity got shielded behind that BS combo, creating a situation where you just can't win 100% of the time.

    My biggest complain is the booster packs. While you can duel and get wins at a decent rate, gathering MGP (2k+ MGP per golden booster) is way more tired in comparisson. So, everytime you duel a lot, you can buy 1 booster for 1 chance to get up to 2 unique legendary cards that drop that way. Yes, again, their rarity and power gotta be protected somehow, but it's way more frustrating.

    At this point, it has more a collection value rather than a "gotta create the ultimate mary sue deck and kill all the things" for me. I have fun with that. I love collectibles and I found in TT the chance to satisfy my thrist for it. With my main character, I'm currently at 98/100 cards and I really enjoyed it so far.

    I started with TT way after HW was out, when I ran out of things to do. I regret nothing.
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    Last edited by Maikeru; 10-30-2015 at 10:31 AM.

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