"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

**Callinon** · 10-28-2015 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by RocheKat

I don't use LBs as a melee if there is a caster in the group because I hope they know to LB big trash pulls... sadly no one ever does this. If not I try to use it asap on bosses because you can build a lot of limit on them rather quickly.

You might be surprised just how garbage the caster lb1 is. It barely puts a dent in trash mobs. Boss adds? Sure.. Dungeon trash? Waste.

**Lyrica_Ashtine** · 10-28-2015 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Callinon

You might be surprised just how garbage the caster lb1 is. It barely puts a dent in trash mobs. Boss adds? Sure.. Dungeon trash? Waste.

Actually, on 2 targets caster LB possess more potency than a melee LB. There's a reason why RocheKat specificaly mentioned "big trash pulls"

**Lemuria** · 10-28-2015 03:49 PM

Talking about bad playstyles, I once had a Paladin who wanted to 'role play' as a swordsman. No shield equipped at all. I decided to role-play as someone who couldn't give a damn about that particular party, and left.

**Astral145** · 10-28-2015 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Lemuria

Talking about bad playstyles, I once had a Paladin who wanted to 'role play' as a swordsman. No shield equipped at all. I decided to role-play as someone who couldn't give a damn about that particular party, and left.

well it is ashame that SE has zero sword slayer dps's in the game.... im still scratching my head as to why each class does not have 2 roles dps and a 2ndary role

..... such a waiste

**Azazua_azura** · 10-28-2015 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Odett

I can pull numbers out of my ass too, but it doesn't mean I'm right. By the way, due to its accessibility on PS3 and PS4, this IS many a player's first MMO. FF14 1.0 and ARR are completely different beasts battle-system wise, so I'm not sure were you're drawing the comparison.

Playing skillfully may or may not require some effort, but mastering a job is something else entirely. Can you honestly say that you can play a job so good that you see absolutely no further room for improvement?

I'm not a baby so stop spoon feeding me stuff you think I'm saying, no offence getting it ass backwards.

1) 99% being trolls isn't a made up number, i have played over 30 mmo in over 10 years before and after WoW. Pre WoW aka pre-leyroy. Players of all degrees of skills play games but worked together outside the occassional troll. FF11 was my first mmo, and i didn't do the "but its my playstyle" and ff11 was for the most part open ended, community made up styles some i was against (backline red mages) but i did the best i could. After WoW aka after leroy, trolls became the norm, and if you actually go on youtube tons of people record themselves trolling trying to become "leeroy" famous. some include ff14, WoW, call of duty. many are these ice mages etc. It doesn't take much but look on these forums, you can see people make similar complaints ina domino effect. 1 person made mention of ice mages on rp servers, now everyone is is claiming to see them.

2) I was gonna edit my post about that funny story, but my net cut out. My newphew was 4 mnths old when ff14 1.0 launched, i played it on a laptop with my 360 controler in our kitchen, my sister needed me to hold him so i put the controler down and held him, he picked it up held the controler correctly and made my character run around and putting her in the attack stance. Tyhing is though ff14 1.0 launch HUD was NOT controler friendly, and people complained about it on the forums when they were added. Yet here is a 4 mnth old baby playing on it w/o issue.

3) what i was trying to say is, video games are not hard to play. Anyone (even a baby) can play a video game, playing a video game requires 0 skill. MASTERING a video game takes skill, and to play skillfuly takes skill (duh) people act like a video game takes skill when it doesn't, playing skillfully takes skill. Combinations, and skills are easy to figure out infact you just press a button your character does it. The game pretty much tells you what to press as well. So only 2 types of people will not play well:

group 1) Trolls
group 2) first time gamers. (as in a person who never played a video game ever and completely irgnorant of them but got gorded into ff14)

But if you look close enough 9 times out of 10 its a troll.

idk how u got any of ur reply from my post... but dam you missed the mark big time. Honestly seems like you just wanna pick a fight with me ^^;;

**KokonoeAiyoko** · 10-28-2015 07:33 PM

The way most people in this thread, too many to name, have put this expectation on players, especially not realizing their background not even considering one's skill or way someone else enjoys the game I find to be a very toxic thing in-general in MMOs.

Why are players expected to reach a certain DPS level when you are getting through the dungeon fine?
Why are players expected to be in such unison with each other that any mistake they make is not doing a certain amount for the team thus being a bad player?
Why get annoyed at someone who is not on your standard of what one "should" be doing when they are getting by just fine?
Why not ever think that maybe this person has trouble understanding the game, or maybe hasn't had the life experiences you might have to get this part in a game where they can reach this level of DPS comfortable?
Why not realize that some people make mistakes and that's okay?
Why not simply leave if these aren't the people you wish to play with?

This selfishness hurts other's enjoyment. A player not being adequate in skill is not selfishness, everyone starts somewhere and not everyone realizes or studies or even find these things. Not everyone thinks to go search up what is the current meta DPS layout, or optimal way to play a specific dungeon by watching a youtube video. Most people simply play the game and they learn, thus they don't always have the thousands of hours of study the game researcher and endgame players put together that you learned by reading what someone else found out, or what someone else made a video of. Imagine if you never did those things, or didn't have friends and simply picked up the game on a whim and simply played it cause it was Final Fantasy and thought it was cool? You would clearly not have what you might think is common sense of the game when in actuality it isn't for most people.

When people start being pressured and told they aren't optimal in such a negative way all it's going to lead to is fights. People do pay for this game, people do not pay to be scolded by random people. We should instruct people to be better, but not expect them to be this certain threshold, this expectation. It's not fun for them, and it's not in all honesty, it's not fun for you either getting bothered by someone's skill level. Help someone out if you think you can, and if they aren't to your liking, simply don't play with them. Don't force your will on others. Not everyone has lived the life you have, or has gotten to the place you have in this game yet.

**Havenae** · 10-28-2015 07:39 PM

Might be of beneficial merit to note that not everyone devotes their lives to an MMO. Some people have real lives, they have work, they have kids. They have *GASP*... dunn dunn dunnnnnn.... other hobbies.

Some people just play just to have fun. They're not all into being the best of the best of the whatever. Which even if you are into that.. it's really kind of an enormous waste anyway. Because unless you're going 'pro' sometime soon.. you're really just jerking off while being an asshole about it.

**FeliAiko** · 10-28-2015 08:12 PM

"I have a real life" shouldnt hinder you from being able to read and apply basic knowledge given to you in-game, or ask for advice if you're struggling on a matter. If such things are a problem to people in a social game, then they should stick to single player stuff where what's considered fun to them doesn't cause detriment to others.

**Amelia_Pond_Behemoth** · 10-28-2015 08:30 PM

The "I have a life" argument is weak at best. Having a life no in way prevents you from trying to play at your best when you do find time to play. Having a life no in way prevents you from being a team player. Having a life does not prevent you from being willing to take advice. Having a life does not mean you can have a selfish attitude.

**Archaell** · 10-28-2015 08:42 PM