So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

[Welsper59]

See, the discrepancies in acceptable fashion that bars males from more outfits than females is precisely why there is a lobby of "Just make the female gears unisex too." There really is no reason that a girl can't wear something just as good or even better than a guy - add a bra and any shirtless option is completely acceptable... I have a butch female character that I roleplay and thinking on her wavelength all of the cutesy female styles are disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a male character that loves skirts and showing skin, and if female outfits became available, I'd definitely consider the options.

Spring dress? Drop the big bow and flowers and instead make it a simple sash with the ends hanging loose, and maybe tone down a few ruffles and make it an open collar top instead of one that drapes the shoulders. - Makes it more masculine with minimal changes.

Bunny Outfit? Make the top a vest and remove the bows from the shoes and the tiara from the bunny ears. Voila, more masculine.

Thavnairian Bustier? There's a whole thread of options.

Just because the base concept is feminine doesn't mean it can't be tweaked to suit males. Please give us more options!

See that's understandable, and as I said, I'm all for that. You gotta remember though that there's more than that argument going on. Some folks, like the guy I quoted earlier, were looking at things by numbers. You are arguing for the option to use female attire on males. Looking at those two arguments, both would essentially be settled by making female-only equips unisex... at least most of them. The swimwear, bikini ones specifically, I can see why there'd be no point to that, given what's already available for males.

Then comes the other argument though. There are folks that are looking for my mentioned "substance" when it comes to glamour. Something that screams "masculine". To them, they cry about the unfair difference of numbers and demand masculine male-only gear to make it equal. That's where I raise the question to them, of what exactly could be done to equal things out in that way, that isn't already in the game?

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

[Terrini]

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

Frankly, I figured the more masculine equivalents already exist in game as Best Man's Slacks and Lord's Knickers - to make it part of the "set" it would involve adding a little bunny tail. But there has been people ASKING for the fishnets available to guys and this is "making the gear unisex" the same way that the Patrician's set is, and A thong with fishnets seems still acceptable to me while remaining the same item.

[Welsper59]

Frankly, I figured the more masculine equivalents already exist in game as Best Man's Slacks and Lord's Knickers - to make it part of the "set" it would involve adding a little bunny tail. But there has been people ASKING for the fishnets available to guys and this is "making the gear unisex" the same way that the Patrician's set is, and A thong with fishnets seems still acceptable to me while remaining the same item.

Yeah, I agree with that. I personally wouldn't mind the fishnet option for male characters, namely when you consider the already limited usage of it even with female ones lol. We don't actually have thongs in this game, do we? I'd have figured that would be a bit overboard here.